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re: But tariffs don’t work….
Posted on 3/26/25 at 12:00 am to Azkiger
Posted on 3/26/25 at 12:00 am to Azkiger
quote:That opportunity costs exist, and productivity relative to expnse is important. How is that a question?
An example that tells us what?
quote:I'm not sure what you want from me. All those increase COGS and make US production less competitive. Did you not know that?
I just listed a whole lot that you ignored (non-federal taxes, secondary jobs lost related to manufacturing, increased stress on social welfare programs, potential effects on lower birth rates, crime rates, and mental health issues, .
quote:"recirculating" dollars does not create wealth. If it did, we could become "rich" by breaking windows. We could pay half the country to dig holes, and the other half to fil lhem up. Tax each group at 50% and "recirculate" every dollar in the economy. Would be be gain wealth that way?
not having many of those dollars spent recirculating within our own economy, etc.)
quote:Who said that?
"Foreign companies don't make profits."
quote:LINK watch this. It's short.
Another example that needs an explanation...
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 12:02 am to BCreed1
quote:Like I said earlier in this thread. I don't try teaching my dog calculus. If you think that makes me stupid, not the dog, so be it.
I see you can't answer that.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 12:03 am to BCreed1
quote:Would you pay $240 for a pair of underwear?
Does domestic production have value beyond what market prices reflect?
Posted on 3/26/25 at 12:03 am to Taxing Authority
quote:
Like I said earlier in this thread. I don't try teaching my dog calculus. If you think that makes me stupid, not the dog, so be it.
You're going to get situationally ignored if you keep talking to him like that.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 12:04 am to Taxing Authority
quote:
Like I said earlier in this thread.
You haven't said anything because you ignore anything you can't answer.
Does domestic production have value beyond what market prices reflect?
Posted on 3/26/25 at 12:05 am to Taxing Authority
So again, you can not answer the question. Is it because you don't know or what?
Posted on 3/26/25 at 12:05 am to BCreed1
quote:
you ignore anything you can't answer
Posted on 3/26/25 at 12:09 am to BCreed1
quote:Woof. Sit boy. Roll over.
You haven't said anything because you ignore anything you can't answer.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 12:10 am to Taxing Authority
quote:
and productivity relative to expnse is important.
Yeah, but you'd have to compare the productivity costs, not the value created cost to one of the two productivity costs being compared.
quote:
All those increase COGS
But they weren't included in the original assessment. The only tariff benefit counted was federal income tax differentials. And that's not even the larger piece of the pie (payroll taxes are).
A proper comparison would need to stack up all the benefits. This is simple stuff.
quote:
"recirculating" dollars does not create wealth.
Who said it did? Creating wealth and preventing wealth from leaving are two different things.
quote:
Who said that?
You did.
I said: Also, you're sending a lot more than 3 dollars an hour overseas.
You said: No. You really aren't. In fact, you're getting goods back for that $3 so it's less.
How do you think that's counting foreign producers profits?
quote:
LINK watch this. It's short.
I know what it is, I'm not sure how you're applying it to my stance.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 12:21 am to Azkiger
quote:Well, if you want to ignore opportunity costs.... no never mind. I can't even... sorry man.
Yeah, but you'd have to compare the productivity costs, not the value created cost to one of the two productivity costs being compared.
quote:I know. I't only makes my case stronger, tho.
But they weren't included in the original assessment.
quote:The very same person I quoted.
Who said it did?
quote:How does "wealth" leave when 1/ you the strongest currency in the world 2/ you can produce more valuable goods than you can purchase 3/ you can print money. Arging that wealth is zero sum is Bernine and AOC territory.
Creating wealth and preventing wealth from leaving are two different things.
quote:No. No I didn't.
You did.
quote:So, in your miond we are just sending cash to China, Vietnam, etc and that's it? We aren't getting goods in return. Hmm... interesting take, I guess? Are you feeling OK
You said: No. You really aren't. In fact, you're getting goods back for that $3 so it's less.
quote:It's literally what you're claiming as the benefit of overpaying for goods that could be purchased cheaper. That somehow we benefit from overpaying becuase it stimulates teh economy. I've mischaracterized your position, I'm sorry, and feel free clarify.
I know what it is, I'm not sure how you're applying it to my stance.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 12:34 am to Taxing Authority
quote:
Well, if you want to ignore opportunity costs
I want you to make them relevant to this conversation.
quote:
I know. I't only makes my case stronger, tho.
I honestly have no idea what your case even is. All I see is you flailing around, making random points and claims.
But no, the original poster I responded too was stacking up the increased production cost of having these manufactured items produced in America and comparing that to potential benefits.
He left out lots of potential benefits, and he didn't even select the most impactful one.
The increase costs associated with these benefits were already included in the analysis (when he was trying to estimate the increased production costs of having these manufactured items produced in America). So the exclusion of the corresponding benefits need to be accounted for.
quote:
How does "wealth" leave when 1/ you the strongest currency in the world 2/ you can produce more valuable goods than you can purchase 3/ you can print money.
Point #1 is irrelevant as you can have wealth leaving and still have the strongest currency in the world. They're not mutually exclusive.
Point #2 is irrelevant because having these manufacturing jobs back home doesn't prevent you from producing more valuable goods.
Point #3 is plum retarded. Printing money doesn't increase wealth.
quote:
So, in your miond we are just sending cash to China, Vietnam, etc and that's it? We aren't getting goods in return. Hmm... interesting take, I guess? Are you feeling OK
We are getting goods in return either way, whether Americans are producing them or a foreign economy is producing them.
If Americas are producing them, that money can be respent in our economy. Chinese workers, not so much.
quote:
It's literally what you're claiming as the benefit of overpaying for goods that could be purchased cheaper.
I'm still not following. Americans having jobs is akin to breaking windows?
Posted on 3/26/25 at 6:45 am to FlexDawg
If we do not re-shore manufacturing back to the U.S. we will be screwed.
For our economy to be healthy long-term, it has to be based on the production of physical industry(and associated services) not government spending fueled by debt creation.
If we want to save the US dollar, this is what has to happen.
For our economy to be healthy long-term, it has to be based on the production of physical industry(and associated services) not government spending fueled by debt creation.
If we want to save the US dollar, this is what has to happen.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 6:53 am to Taxing Authority
quote:
Like I said earlier in this thread. I don't try teaching my dog calculus. If you think that makes me stupid, not the dog, so be it.
This is tard for i cant answer a simple question
what a fricking clown. 
Posted on 3/26/25 at 9:25 am to Warfox
quote:
If we do not re-shore manufacturing back to the U.S. we will be screwed.
For our economy to be healthy long-term, it has to be based on the production of physical industry(and associated services) not government spending fueled by debt creation.
If we want to save the US dollar, this is what has to happen.
Agreed, pretty much says this in this article ...
LINK
Posted on 3/27/25 at 12:40 am to Taxing Authority
quote:
The USSR banned almost all imports. Look how wealthy they were!
Nice dodge. Russia is broke, because of the arms race against the US. Not trade policy. Plus sanctions
Now do Chinas wealth
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