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re: But fentanyl doesn't come from Venezuela!!!!!
Posted on 12/30/25 at 10:51 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 12/30/25 at 10:51 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Luddites, Oh...
Also doesn't mean what you think it means, if you insist upon using it as you did.
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Posted on 12/30/25 at 10:51 am to imjustafatkid
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So you posit this is just a revert to the mean?
Yeah, similar to the violent crime spike we saw in a similar timeframe.
Society went off the rails in late 2020 until about mid-2023. All sorts of pathologies spiked in that time frame and then became a precipitous decrease that has continued once Trump took over (but began more than a year prior to him taking office).
Why would Trump get credit for something that started in 2023?
*ETA: to be clear, for the irrational faction, I'm not giving Biden credit for the decline. It's beyond Presidential powers.
This post was edited on 12/30/25 at 10:53 am
Posted on 12/30/25 at 10:52 am to UtahCajun
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This statement doesn't say near what you think it says.
It says a lot about you, right now..
Its literally the definition of Dunning-Kruger.
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The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias that describes the systematic tendency of people with low ability in a specific area to give overly positive assessments of this ability.
Posted on 12/30/25 at 10:52 am to Bunk Moreland
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Northshorebamaman put on a master class a few weeks ago about all of this. You really think blowing up coke boats in the last two months (that were going to Trinidad and Central America) affected fentanyl deaths this quickly?
Directly, maybe slightly
One thing that IS happening - Cartels are having to make alternate plans and have a bullseye on their backs.
Posted on 12/30/25 at 10:53 am to UtahCajun
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Also doesn't mean what you think it means,
In this case, it absolutely does...luddite.
You put more stock in influencer drivel than scientific polls. All this gosh darn technology.
This post was edited on 12/30/25 at 10:54 am
Posted on 12/30/25 at 10:54 am to 3down10
The OP's little chart is just hilarious. He is trying to show that Trump splashing speedboats off Trinidad is decreasing the number of domestic drug overdoses, but:
(a) the downturn in deaths began under Biden and
(b) the chart data ends before Trump splashed the first boat.
And this Hawking is doing a victory dance to it.
(a) the downturn in deaths began under Biden and
(b) the chart data ends before Trump splashed the first boat.
And this Hawking is doing a victory dance to it.
Posted on 12/30/25 at 10:55 am to RelentlessAnalysis
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(a) the downturn in deaths began under Biden and
(b) the chart data ends before Trump splashed the first boat.
Pfft. You believe actual data over influencer propaganda. How dare you.
Posted on 12/30/25 at 10:56 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:AND the corollary:quote:The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias that describes the systematic tendency of people with low ability in a specific area to give overly positive assessments of this ability.
Its literally the definition of Dunning-Kruger.
those with high ability/knowledge tend to be overly pessimistic about THEIR abilities/knowledge.
Posted on 12/30/25 at 11:09 am to stout
It is also said street cost has gone way up on many o those drugs.
Posted on 12/30/25 at 11:12 am to lsusteve1
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One thing that IS happening - Cartels are having to make alternate plans and have a bullseye on their backs.
What cartels are being targeted
Posted on 12/30/25 at 11:13 am to DavidTheGnome
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What cartels are being targeted
Its not going to matter. A new cartel will pop up in their place.
Its what happened in Tijuana. In fact drug violence increased.
Posted on 12/30/25 at 11:27 am to RelentlessAnalysis
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The OP's little chart is just hilarious. He is trying to show that Trump splashing speedboats off Trinidad is decreasing the number of domestic drug overdoses, but:
(a) the downturn in deaths began under Biden and
(b) the chart data ends before Trump splashed the first boat.
And this Hawking is doing a victory dance to it.
Stout struggles with graphs. In his last fentanyl thread I posted three of them that showed when the OD decline began showing up and the purity of both powder and pill fentanyl. Stout accused me of not watching the video, even though the subject of the video was fentanyl purity going down leading to a decrease in OD deaths (falsely attributed to Trump's actions, of course), ya know......precisely the graphs I used that came from Trump's own DEA NDTA released earlier this year focusing on 2024.
Stout abandoned that thread.
This post was edited on 12/30/25 at 11:29 am
Posted on 12/30/25 at 11:39 am to 3down10
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The majority of drugs come in from the Mexican border, and fent is mostly made by the Mexican cartels.
So the fact the drop off begins before the boats were getting blown up shows that our efforts on securing the border have been the biggest deal.
I agree with you that securing the border is having an affect.
According to most of the counterarguments in this thread, this can't be true because the decline starts during the Biden admin, before the Trump admin started resecuring the border.
Obviously, that is a brain dead argument, but it does seem necessary to point out that your argument doesn't line up with what other posters minimizing this are saying. Apparently we're supposed to believe government is completely unable to counter the drug trade.
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Also, the stuff with Venezuela has nothing to do with drugs.
Drug boats are being attacked, so it is disingenuous to say it has "nothing" to do with drugs, even if you don't believe it to be the primary purpose.
This post was edited on 12/30/25 at 11:46 am
Posted on 12/30/25 at 11:46 am to DavidTheGnome
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What cartels are being targeted
I’m not up to date on the Cartel organizational chart
Posted on 12/30/25 at 11:47 am to imjustafatkid
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Drug boats are being attacked, so it is disingenuous to say it has "nothing" to do with drugs,
False reasoning for regime change.
Posted on 12/30/25 at 11:48 am to RogerTheShrubber
Another lefty talking point
Thats 7 so far today
Thats 7 so far today
Posted on 12/30/25 at 11:49 am to DavidTheGnome
It’s funny you ask that because some commentators have said we made up Cartel de los soles out of thin air.
Posted on 12/30/25 at 11:49 am to RogerTheShrubber
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False reasoning for regime change.
You think.
Posted on 12/30/25 at 11:52 am to imjustafatkid
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I agree with you that securing the border is having an affect.
According to most of the counterarguments in this thread, this can't be true because the decline starts during the Biden admin, before the Trump admin started resecuring the border.
We will see sometime early next year how this year's seizures at the border stack up to the two prior years. The high water mark for fentanyl seizures at the border was 2023. 2024 was less than that, but still saw nearly 22 thousand pounds of powder fentanyl and 61.1 million fentanyl pills seized by the DEA at the border. The Trump 2.0 DEA released some border seizure numbers around mid-year that has it slightly off of last year's pace to that point, which is a good thing because it means the overall approach (despite changes in administrations) is working.
This post was edited on 12/30/25 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 12/30/25 at 11:55 am to imjustafatkid
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I agree with you that securing the border is having an affect.
According to most of the counterarguments in this thread, this can't be true because the decline starts during the Biden admin, before the Trump admin started resecuring the border.
Obviously, that is a brain dead argument, but it does seem necessary to point out that your argument this doesn't line up with what other posters minimizing this are saying. Apparently we're supposed to believe government is completely unable to counter the drug trade.
Biden made an attempt at the border near the end of his time. Probably in response to the fact he was going to lose the election over it, but the efforts did technically start before Trump came into office.
It started in the summer of his last year. I think the height of most incoming was in Dec 23.
I'm sure Trump has taken them even further and if not for the election Biden would have kept shipping them in. But the decline and border policy does match up.
That said, correlation doesn't imply causation. So none of this data could have anything to do with any of it. But it seems plausible.
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Drug boats are being attacked, so it is disingenuous to say it has "nothing" to do with drugs, even if you don't believe it to be the primary purpose.
We've been stopping those boats for decades.
Seems more like we're focusing on the Colombian cartels vs Mexican cartels, where as the Mexican cartels are the ones mainly responsible for the distribution in the US.
It's about oil and china.
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