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Broken Window Policing Theory

Posted on 1/1/19 at 10:39 am
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 1/1/19 at 10:39 am
I was listening to a podcast yesterday when the host mentioned something called, The broken window police method. I had never heard of this and wondered if those on this board had, and what are y'all thoughts on it?
Here is the theory and a link which explains it more thoroughly.


Britannica


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The Theory
Prior to the development and implementation of various incivility theories such as broken windows, law enforcement scholars and police tended to focus on serious crime; that is, the major concern was with crimes that were perceived to be the most serious and consequential for the victim, such as rape, robbery, and murder. Wilson and Kelling took a different view. They saw serious crime as the final result of a lengthier chain of events, theorizing that crime emanated from disorder and that if disorder were eliminated, then serious crimes would not occur. Their theory further posits that the prevalence of disorder creates fear in the minds of citizens who are convinced that the area is unsafe. This withdrawal from the community weakens social controls that previously kept criminals in check. Once this process begins, it feeds itself. Disorder causes crime, and crime causes further disorder and crime.



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Broken windows theory, academic theory proposed by James Q. Wilsonand George Kelling in 1982 that used broken windows as a metaphor for disorder within neighbourhoods. Their theory links disorder and incivility within a community to subsequent occurrences of serious crime. Broken windows theory had an enormous impact on police policy throughout the 1990s and remained influential into the 21st century. Perhaps the most notable application of the theory was in New York Cityunder the direction of Police Commissioner William Bratton. He and others were convinced that the aggressive order-maintenance practices of the New York City Police Department were responsible for the dramatic decrease in crime rates within the city during the 1990s. Bratton began translating the theory into practice as the chief of New York City’s transit police from 1990 to 1992. Squads of plainclothes officers were assigned to catch turnstile jumpers, and, as arrests for misdemeanours increased, subway crimes of all kinds decreased dramatically. In 1994, when he became New York City police commissioner, Bratton introduced his broken windows-based “quality of life initiative.” This initiative cracked down on panhandling, disorderly behaviour, public drinking, street prostitution, and unsolicited windshield washing or other such attempts to obtain cash from drivers stopped in traffic. When Bratton resigned in 1996, felonies were down almost 40 percent in New York, and the homicide rate had been halved.



This post was edited on 1/1/19 at 10:43 am
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
40969 posts
Posted on 1/1/19 at 10:45 am to
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They saw serious crime as the final result of a lengthier chain of events, theorizing that crime emanated from disorder and that if disorder were eliminated, then serious crimes would not occur. 

This is a scary philosophy imo.
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 1/1/19 at 10:46 am to
It’s the bedrock of effective policing. It first entered the Zeitgeist when Giuliani cleaned up NYC.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62002 posts
Posted on 1/1/19 at 10:47 am to
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This is a scary philosophy imo.


How so?
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62002 posts
Posted on 1/1/19 at 10:47 am to
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It’s the bedrock of effective policing. It first entered the Zeitgeist when Giuliani cleaned up NYC.



That's what I've read. Part of me sees the benefits and another fears police overeach and abuse.
This post was edited on 1/1/19 at 10:49 am
Posted by Tigers0891
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2017
7077 posts
Posted on 1/1/19 at 10:48 am to
It's the devil in every sociology class I was forced to take.

It's no different than why crime and fricked up shite happens more in third world shite holes. People grow up in dysfunction and it shapes them. Liberals and others just don't want to admit that we have a large contingent of areas in this country that live almost the same way, within minutes of actual law abiding producing happy citizens.
This post was edited on 1/1/19 at 10:51 am
Posted by LSUwag
Florida man
Member since Jan 2007
18001 posts
Posted on 1/1/19 at 10:49 am to
It worked.

Democrats hated it because it was racist in their opinion. Their solution is to throw money into the black hole of urban blight and tolerate crime as a social problem. New Orleans, Detroit and San Francisco are great examples of their successful strategies.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
78093 posts
Posted on 1/1/19 at 10:49 am to
Excellent results in NYC. Needs to be tried everywhere that is a crime ridden shithole, like NOLA. Build more jails and prisons. Law enforcement is one of the few areas where government should be involved.
Posted by TT1234
Member since Aug 2018
44 posts
Posted on 1/1/19 at 10:50 am to
Very good interview in the WSJ last weekend with James Q. Wilson that first advocated for the theory. It is very effective.

The Idea That Made America's Cities Safer
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
40969 posts
Posted on 1/1/19 at 10:52 am to
It presupposes that societal disorder is the primary cause for serious crimes. I also think it's used as an excuse for revenue raising amongst police departments, which leads to police practices that focus their resources on more minor, revenue-raising offenses instead of violent crimes.
Posted by CDawson
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
19293 posts
Posted on 1/1/19 at 10:52 am to
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Democrats hated it because it was racist in their opinion.


It’s easier to make a list of things Democrat’s don’t call racist.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
37713 posts
Posted on 1/1/19 at 10:53 am to
Booooo paywalls
Posted by ClientNumber9
Member since Feb 2009
9951 posts
Posted on 1/1/19 at 10:54 am to
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This is a scary philosophy imo


It may scare you but it's true.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62002 posts
Posted on 1/1/19 at 10:54 am to
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It presupposes that societal disorder is the primary cause for serious crimes. I also think it's used as an excuse for revenue raising amongst police departments, which leads to police practices that focus their resources on more minor, revenue-raising offenses instead of violent crimes



I can see that side yes.
Posted by ClientNumber9
Member since Feb 2009
9951 posts
Posted on 1/1/19 at 10:58 am to
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also think it's used as an excuse for revenue raising amongst police departments, which leads to police practices that focus their resources on more minor, revenue-raising offenses instead of violent crimes.


Police departments don't make any money from stopping con artists, turnstile hoppers at the subway, unsolicited window washers, etc. The broken windows theory adresses misdemeanors/crimes. Revenue is generated by traffic tickets, parking violations etc.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
78093 posts
Posted on 1/1/19 at 11:00 am to
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which leads to police practices that focus their resources on more minor, revenue-raising offenses instead of violent crimes.
In NY it seems that it lead to a decrease in violent crimes allowing for a greater focus on the minor crimes, therefore nothing was lacking for the major events.

How do they get revenue from the people they will arrest for minor crimes? Blood from turnips and such.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
116730 posts
Posted on 1/1/19 at 11:04 am to
Yeah, this was a big thing in the late 80s, early 90s and it worked very well. There was some interesting psychology behind it.
If you are invited to a person's house for drinks and you find the interior messy with 3 cats running around and you sit on a couch that belongs in the dump you are not going to have a problem putting your drink on the particle board end table.
But if the house you go to is immaculate you are not going to put your drink on the mahogany end table. You will either hold it or ask for a coaster.

When criminals see that small crimes have been committed in a neighborhood it's a signal to them that no one gives a shite so they can go ahead and commit more crime.
Posted by CDawson
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
19293 posts
Posted on 1/1/19 at 11:06 am to
What if I have a shite coach and a mohagoney table?

Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
116730 posts
Posted on 1/1/19 at 11:07 am to
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What if I have a shite coach and a mohagoney table?


Hey, my house is pristine.
As long as you don't mind getting dog fur on your clothes.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
40969 posts
Posted on 1/1/19 at 11:08 am to
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It may scare you but it's true.

The primary motives for serious crimes of violence are the same now as they were prior to civilization began: jealousy, lust, greed and pride. The cavemen killed each other for a woman and a hunk of meat. People today kill and rob each other for the same kinds of things. The desire for a perfectly orderly society is something out of a dystopian novel.
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