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re: Breaking via nypost: Ukraine tells WH it is 90% on board with peace deal

Posted on 4/19/25 at 7:01 am to
Posted by GeauxGutsy
Member since Jul 2017
5888 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 7:01 am to
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SDVTiger


Your constant use of “Orange” referring to our CIC is disrespectful and unnecessary.
Posted by Tigergreg
Metairie
Member since Feb 2005
24519 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 7:02 am to
Zelensky needs to put up or shut up. Otherwise, he will be on his own.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
18916 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 7:29 am to


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It is their country.


For now. Get back to us in a few months when US weapons are projected to run out in June.

And those "we stand with urkaine and promise billions in weapons EU?" Well those are the same that promised 2% to NATO, billions to global warming, etc.

The cargo pants weasel has been backed into a corner. Hear he has even cut off opposition long ago and now his ministers. Note to self: When you are afraid you are going to be Mussolinied, you should be afraid you are going to be Mussolinied.
Posted by HeadCall
Member since Feb 2025
5715 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 7:31 am to
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just what they call ‘de jure’ and ‘de facto,'”

The frick
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
18916 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 7:32 am to
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Ukraine has repeatedly agreed to peace deals.


They have "offered" ridiculous peace deals. Even this last ceasefire of attacking energy targets, 12 hours later they attacked and said we did not, wink wink, agree to it.
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
21671 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 7:37 am to
frick Ukraine. I hope Trump walks away. Accept it as a loss and cut Americas losses. Let Ukraine and Europe deal with it.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
18916 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 7:40 am to
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Putin is dumb enough to think he has an advantage when he doesn't - running untrained, under-equipped, middle-aged alcoholics up against modern machine guns isn't getting the Russians anywhere fast and it's only exhausted his artillery and armor.


And here is the cargo pants derangement. EVERY body exchange the last few months....the Russians are delivering 12 times as many as the Ukranians are returning.

Every liberal rag runs stories about how its Ukraine throwing old men, handicapped men, etc to the front lines.

The Russians have 10 times the artillery of Ukranians, why on earth would they rush the front lines nakedly?

Cargo pants has ruined ukraine all for personal gain......but he will answer for it, he will answer for it.

Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
21671 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 7:41 am to
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But as I understand it our problem is not just mining the materials but refining them into useful forms and that's apparently very difficult. That's where China has the world by the balls, and it isn't just the US.


The excessive federal regulations in the US is what makes refining them " difficult " and not cost effective to do here in the US.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
18916 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 7:45 am to
Rare minerals, climate change, gun violence.....

Rare minerals are actually plentiful, even here in the US if we didnt have tree huggers stopping the mining.

And I dare say processing some crushed rock is not too difficult for the most advanced country in the world. Its because we dont want to see the nasty slag piles associated with it. Slap my greenpeace sticker on my car, and give me my iphone, just let me pretend that environmental mess is not happening in chini.
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
15547 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 7:55 am to
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Anyone taking Zelensky seriously at this point is retarded


LSURussian would literally suck Zelensky’s dick
Posted by Leopold
Columbia
Member since Sep 2013
1936 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 9:32 am to
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And here is the cargo pants derangement. EVERY body exchange the last few months....the Russians are delivering 12 times as many as the Ukranians are returning.

Every liberal rag runs stories about how its Ukraine throwing old men, handicapped men, etc to the front lines.

The Russians have 10 times the artillery of Ukranians, why on earth would they rush the front lines nakedly?



Can't speak to being a liberal, I'm a Goldwater/Buckley Republican.

As far as the 'advantages' the Russians have, ehhh, no. The Russians are down to a 2/3 to 1 advantage in artillery, and since it's coming from North Korea, whose reliability is beyond suspect it's believed to be barely even. The Russians are almost out of armor and APC's and don't have the capacity to keep up with production so that's why they are sending out their infantry in golf carts, or 'naked' as you say. Doesn't matter anyway - the defenders in a force-on-force war enjoy a 6-1 advantage over the attacking force, so that's why Russians manpower advantages haven't yielded any real results over the past 3 years. That, and, yeah, the age thing makes it harder to perform - I should know. But hey, that's what the Russians have always done, historically speaking, for better or for worse, so why stop now?

But that's not the worst of it for them. Right now, the Ukrainians are expected to produce around 5M drones this year to Russia's 10-15K and the drones account for about 80% of the Ukrainian kills on the battlefield and rising - they tripled the number of Artillery systems destroyed in the month of March alone. Add to that the fact the F-16's are up and running and starting to slice up the Russian Command-and-Control, logistics, communications, etc. and the Ukrainians hold the cards, no matter who tells you what.

Russia, to put it politely, is F*cked.
Posted by RohanGonzales
Member since Apr 2024
8453 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 9:34 am to
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Russia, to put it politely, is F*cked.


So Ukraine does not need us. Great! When do they start paying us back?
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
63080 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 9:34 am to
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90% means 0%


Yep.
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
Member since Apr 2004
14443 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 9:43 am to
Posted by Leopold
Columbia
Member since Sep 2013
1936 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 10:01 am to
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So Ukraine does not need us. Great! When do they start paying us back?


Since the Russians are our #2 Geopolitical Rival behind only the Chinese (and the Chinese have been watching this whole thing) that they've done all the heavy lifting to beat our adversary. I don't argue with the President on that one - it's been a smart, if possibly shortsighted, approach to get the Ukrainians to do all of our dirty work for us. That, and as an old dismounted Infantryman, it's been FUN to watch our old Bradley's with half a dozen combat tours between them FUK UP Russian T-90's; that platform never got enough credit. God knows the Ukrainians' have put them to good use, God bless'em.

But the smart play isn't to demand reimbursement from them - he's wrong on that front. The smart play is to build the relationship and continue to work through them to increase American hegemony at a fraction of the price - that's where the money comes from.

The plan should be to dump all of our the combat equipment off on our allies like it was a Salvation Army donation, let them kick the sh!t out of our rivals while kissing our arses for the support, and then work through them to support a world order that not only puts us at the center of world investment - we get 70% of all investment in the world right now - but does so on our currency as the reserve. They money that comes in from foreign investment - ESPECIALLY THROUGH BONDS - utterly crushes the nickels and dimes that go out to foreign aid right now.

THAT's the play right now. Wish somebody actually understood that.
This post was edited on 4/19/25 at 10:16 am
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
74558 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 10:06 am to
Nothing the Ukes say is believable anymore. Zero.
Posted by SingleMalt1973
Member since Feb 2022
22639 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 10:06 am to
Z leaving some wiggle,room for,his handlers to up the ante
This post was edited on 4/19/25 at 10:07 am
Posted by boweswi05
birmingham
Member since Aug 2016
6762 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 10:13 am to
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Probably when you and others "finally admit" that Russia was "provoked".



You are one dumb motherfricker
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3806 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 10:14 am to
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It will be very interesting if liberals in America turn on Zelenskyy if he agrees to a peace deal they deem ls inadequate

jfc, that's your take on this? American liberals' responses?

Some of you are just so eaten up with this stupid TDS/OMB shite, your brains have turned to mush.
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3806 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 10:52 am to
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They money that comes in from foreign investment - ESPECIALLY THROUGH BONDS - utterly crushes the nickels and dimes that go out to foreign aid right now.

The money that comes in from foreign investment, buying our bonds and thus funding our debt, comes from the very trade deficit Trump is trying to eliminate.

Where will foreign nations get all the dollars to buy our bonds if we don't give them to them through trade?
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