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re: BREAKING Pentagon: US warship, multiple commercial ships have come under attack in Red Sea

Posted on 12/4/23 at 6:24 am to
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 6:24 am to
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Great Britain lied about the munitions cargo that the Lusitania was hauling from the USA to Britain. They lied for almost 100 years and they would still be lying to this day but for the eyeball evidence discovered by the deep sea divers who saw the munitions cargo on the sea floor when they observed the wreck of the Lusitania. The Lusitania was 100 percent a legal target for U-boat attack because it was hauling components necessary to manufacture high explosives used in artillery shells. The USA was helping Britain produce artillery shells in 1915, two years before the US entered the war.


Further, in using a passenger ship to supply war materials, Great Britain used civilians, including women and children, as shields in their war effort. This is one of the primary charges against Hamas.
Posted by cajunangelle
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 7:20 am to


LINK

Will that POS Kirby announce they will send Iran more money today?

How is that Iran deal working out for Obama/Biden?

Our guys were shown at gunpoint and captured under Obama and Obama has a punch drunk laugh.

Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 9:00 am to
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Penrod
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your method of argument simply makes everything unprovable and unknowable and is called Nihilism
well, maybe if you don't consider that I CLEARLY asked for individuals "preponderance" of evidence, a preponderance that the Lusitania was or was NOT a false flag.

- THANKS to Champagne and Toomer Deplorable for being able to read and communicate. Educated opinion lives!

Posted by Bunk Moreland
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 9:04 am to
I think the Iran paranoia is way overblown. Our overlords are huge Israel cucks. Or, maybe they are both Israel and Iran cucks and just like war.
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 9:11 am to
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Further, in using a passenger ship to supply war materials, Great Britain used civilians, including women and children, as shields in their war effort. This is one of the primary charges against Hamas.


VERY good point.

Although, Hamas is of course at the extreme end on the "Atrocity" spectrum.

Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 9:17 am to
Lusitania was technically not a "false flag" because an enemy sub sunk it, not a friendly sub posing as an enemy.

But it was and is a war crime to use human shields to guard military activity. Since the Lusitania was in fact carrying components used to make high explosive field artillery shells from the USA to the munitions factories near Liverpool, the Lusitania's passenger-ship status was a lie.

It was and is a war crime to use non-combatant status and protections to conceal military missions and usages. It's a war crime to set up a military HQ and command center in a clearly marked Red Cross hospital. It's a war crime to establish a neutral civilian passenger-ship service and then use those ships to support an active combatant in a war.

PS I don't know what the heck this has to do with the topic of the OP, so, sorry for Hi-Jacking.

This post was edited on 12/4/23 at 9:19 am
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 10:20 am to
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Further, in using a passenger ship to supply war materials, Great Britain used civilians, including women and children, as shields in their war effort. This is one of the primary charges against Hamas.



Not exactly. Britain and the US were using civilian ships as a cover for smuggling arms, not as a shield. Hamas has used schools, hospital buildings, apartment complexes, etc. as areas to fire weapons from and to station their leadership with the purposeful intent to use the "deaths of women and children" as a rhetorical weapon should their leadership and/or firing positions be targetted.
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 2:43 pm to
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Not exactly. Britain and the US were using civilian ships as a cover for smuggling arms, not as a shield. Hamas has used schools, hospital buildings, apartment complexes, etc. as areas to fire weapons from and to station their leadership with the purposeful intent to use the "deaths of women and children" as a rhetorical weapon should their leadership and/or firing positions be targetted.


I view these two situations as a War Crime Spectrum. Hamas is on the Worst side of the spectrum. Great Britain's war crime WRT to the Lusitania and the numerous other passenger ships that they used to cover arms shipments is on the "Not Too Bad" side of the spectrum.
Posted by DogFacedSoldier
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 2:51 pm to
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You misspelled Gulf of Tonkin


Post of the day…good stuff…MIC doing what it can to keep the war machine churning.
Posted by salty1
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 3:43 pm to
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What do you think the proper response should be if a hostile nation uses a proxy to attack and as you say “blow up” and United States naval vessels in international waters?


If I was president, said vessels wouldn’t be there to be blown up.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 4:21 pm to
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I view these two situations as a War Crime Spectrum. Hamas is on the Worst side of the spectrum. Great Britain's war crime WRT to the Lusitania and the numerous other passenger ships that they used to cover arms shipments is on the "Not Too Bad" side of the spectrum.


Same here.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 5:05 pm to
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I view these two situations as a War Crime Spectrum.


Just to be clear, it certainly is not my point to suggest an equivalence between Hamas and the British Admiralty of WWI.

Yet putting aside the very credible suspicions that the Lusitania was deliberately allowed to become a target in an attempt to inflame American sentiment against Germany, it is abhorrent that the British government would use passenger ships to ferry war materials.

It was so well known that Britain was using this tactic, Germany actually took out ads in New York newspapers specifically informing Americans to avoid traveling on British liners as they were considered legitimate targets of war.

Secretary of State William Jennings Bryan indeed resigned his position because of his outage over Great Britain’s risky practice of using ocean liners in such a manner:

“….ships carrying contraband should be prohibited from carrying passengers....it would be like putting women and children in front of an army.”
This post was edited on 12/4/23 at 5:22 pm
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 5:21 pm to
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Just to be clear, it certainly is not my point to suggest an equivalence between Hamas and the British Admiralty of WWI.

Yet putting aside the very credible suspicions that the Lusitania was deliberately allowed to become a target in an attempt to inflame American sentiment against Germany, it is abhorrent that the British government would use passenger ships to ferry war materials.

It was so well known that Britain was using this tactic, Germany actually took out ads in New York newspapers specifically informing Americans to avoid traveling on British liners as they were considered legitimate targets of war.

Secretary of State William Jennings Bryan indeed resigned his position because of his outage over Great Britain’s risky practice of using ocean liners in such a manner:

“….ships carrying contraband should be prohibited from carrying passengers....it would be like putting women and children in front of an army.”


Hell, I forgot about all of that but you are absolutely right. That is all true. Thanks for the reminder. It's pretty sordid shite from our good friend Great Britain. They kind of tricked the USA into entering WWI, but, hey, what's a little fibbing between friends?



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