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re: BREAKING: DOJ opens an antitrust probe into social media companies

Posted on 7/23/19 at 8:31 pm to
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78222 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 8:31 pm to
Yet Gab still exists.

But you would have the government make Apple offer it in the App Store?

That’s not small government.

This isn’t about market access.

Everyone can start a website.
Stormfront is a website. Now-Nazis have websites.

This is about convenience and access to everything Apple and Google offers.
This post was edited on 7/23/19 at 8:33 pm
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21693 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 8:37 pm to
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1. It is the most accessible and easy way to get his message out, considering the media’s inability to put anything positive and Trump in the same sentence.


Being as most of his message is getting censored anyway this is somewhat of a moot point. There are other means of communication- texts, phone, email, mail, etc. Believe it or not campaigns have won before without it, and given how little conservative speech is tolerated by big tech its becoming less of an issue.

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It is a political weapon to motivate his base (this is despite my opinion that the tech industry needs to be fractured into smaller entities).


So openly declare war on big tech and let the fireworks start. Make it a campaign issue and nullify the other side by pointing out its no where near unbiased.
Posted by MsState of mind
State of Denial
Member since Aug 2013
2729 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 8:39 pm to
You break them up by making them all separate entities.

Facebook doesn’t have messenger and Instagram and currency

Google is a search engine. Not also YouTube, phone make, phone provider
Posted by Old Hellen Yeller
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9904 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 8:56 pm to
Will go nowhere.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78222 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 9:03 pm to
So basically you’re gonna take 1 good company and make 1 good company and 3 redundant companies

Bunch of pushiest running to big government

I would absolutely trade you being able to listen to Alex Jones easily for the amazing service that is Amazon.

fricking crybabies
This post was edited on 7/23/19 at 9:08 pm
Posted by musick
the internet
Member since Dec 2008
26131 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 9:27 pm to
The entire issue and compass on how people feel about this can be easily spelled out.

How do you feel about the Ma Bell Monopoly case?

Because thats precisely where we are at. In 2019, this is the exact mirror of that case.

Nothing like this has existed before just like the telephone industry. This is new technology that started out pretty modest as a utility and has evolved well further than anyone could have predicted, and well past it's intended initial use. The service manufacturer was providing the hardware..

And it's now influencing millions of people and there are 3 main players that control the entire industry.

How did you feel about Ma Bell? Apply that here, it's that simple. Big govt, small govt, this needs to be addressed.

Too much power without oversight it's what we are talking about more than anything else, and in that respect this is 100 times more important than Ma Bell
This post was edited on 7/23/19 at 9:30 pm
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
15431 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 9:42 pm to
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Mueller is still going to testify tmoro


And you'll still be a cuckold
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78222 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 9:53 pm to
I think You can argue that these companies aren’t a monopoly on the scale Bell was. Bell basically owned every phone line in the county. There are other search engines, online stores, phone manufacturers and service providers. Apple, Google, and Amazon overlap and compete with each other a lot.

And there are always ways into the internet around them.

We aren’t bailing out every mom and pop grocery store from Walmart, why are we trying to save small time internet businesses?

Facebook is another story.

I think There is a strong arguement that we could split them and instagram, but like I said, all social media works best when everyone uses the same apps. Connectivity is the point.
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33359 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 10:02 pm to
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I don't see how the anticompetitive argument holds water when Google service is free

quote:

A monopoly arises when one single company controls so much of the market share of a product or service that it significantly affects the terms on which others have access to it.

Google controls ads and results on a platform that handles 80% of the market

The next closest competitor: 14%
Posted by Athis
I AM Charlie Kirk....
Member since Aug 2016
15720 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 10:02 pm to
Google needs investigation

It's a link to a facebook video about google...but it's worth a listen..
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78222 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 10:05 pm to
But people have validnother options

They just don’t choose them.
Yahoo is there. It just isn’t as good.

How many industries have such a divide in quality? How do you break up a search engine? What stops people from continuing to go to google once it’s been broken up?

And you can’t say “they corner 80% of the market” and then say the answer is splitting off Android.

What does that do for the search engine market? They actually have TONS of competition in the cell phone market.

Even Facebook really just clobbered it’s competition.

When it first came out everyone had a MySpace. And the Facebook was cooler and a little better designed. And slowly but surely it just crushed MySpace.
This post was edited on 7/23/19 at 10:18 pm
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33359 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 10:31 pm to
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But people have validnother options

They just don’t choose them.

Do they really?

Standard Oil wasn't the only oil company when it was broken up. ATT wasn't the only telephone company when it was broken up

But what you only found out after they were broken up, is that they were stifling the industry due to fears of losing their monopoly. ATT discovered cell phone tech, then refused to develop it. Kodak controlled 96% of the film market, all the while refusing to develop digital beginning in 1975. Tech companies are notorious for buying software and killing its development. See how Microsoft handled web browsers

When you are that huge in your industry, you kill competition, and advancements, because you don't want to lose your winning edge. They hire and control the best minds in the business

Now that we know tech giants are controlling information. That's a far worse sin than any other monopoly, ever
This post was edited on 7/23/19 at 10:33 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78222 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 10:36 pm to
Yup.

Yahoo.

That’s a viable option.

Let me ask you. You seem pretty anti google

How often do you choose to use yahoo?
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
53707 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 10:36 pm to
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Why are people not abandoning this service they hate?


People have tried starting other companies only to have them bought out or limited by the larger companies

The main issue here is that these services have become publishers of information and controllers of what they deem to be "acceptable"
This post was edited on 7/23/19 at 10:37 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78222 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 10:47 pm to
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People have tried starting other companies only to have them bought out or limited by the larger companies


“Only to give them bought out” makes it seem like they didn’t just sell their companies.

Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
53707 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 10:54 pm to
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Only to give them bought out” makes it seem like they didn’t just sell their companies.


They did....

But preventing these monopolies is a big part of the anti trust laws
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 10:57 pm to
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Of course? Freedom of speech anyone?


So you agree that corporations are people?
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 11:01 pm to
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Are they Government run?


Antitrust.
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33359 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 11:05 pm to
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How often do you choose to use yahoo?

I only use duck

And lets pretend like the govt didn't have to step in to bust up Google and Yahoo
This post was edited on 7/23/19 at 11:08 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78222 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 11:11 pm to
That’s a fair point and we probably should step in ankeep stuff like that from happening.

And I’ve said Facebook buying instagram shouldn’t have happened.

But if you greaknuo google, into say google and 5 other search engines.

I’m still going to choose google and so will 80% of people.

It’s name is literally synonymous with looking something up on the internet.

It’s not like breaking up a telephone company or an oil company. This monopoly was pretty much build by consumer choice.
This post was edited on 7/23/19 at 11:13 pm
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