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re: Border Czar Tom Homan just went off on the cartels and dared them to keep making threats
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:41 am to Aubie Spr96
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:41 am to Aubie Spr96
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Making drugs illegal has never worked ever in the history of mankind.
Making drugs legal doesn't work any better, unless you enjoy watching a junkie take a shite outside the restaurant where you are eating.
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It’s a waste of time and money.
The way we do it is a waste of time and money, because judges won't hand down the kind of sentences needed to keep the streets clean.
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Escalating the War on Drugs will only increase the price of drugs thus increasing the revenue of the cartels.
Higher prices result in fewer people being able to afford the product. It's a universal truth.
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Money is better spent on prevention, education, and treatment.
Closing the border, wrecking the cartels, and locking traffickers and dealers up, is prevention.
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Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:41 am to wackatimesthree
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:42 am to wackatimesthree
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But other countries have.
And dont have nearly the crime we do.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:43 am to Paddyshack
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If you overstay your visa then you aren’t here legally.
They come here legally. I dont know how else to explain it to you.
Read what I said.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:54 am to troyt37
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Closing the border, wrecking the cartels, and locking traffickers and dealers up, is prevention.
No, because its a 150B industry, before the day is over you would have a new network set up to supply.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 9:20 am to Darth_Vader
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I’d fully support pulling our military out of every country around the globe and then unleashing its full might against Mexico with zero mercy or pity.
Agreed. Mexico won't do anything to stop them, because they have bought Mexico's government, police and military.
The United States Marine Corps could stop them, and would actually be fighting for national security as opposed to just fighting desert people over oil. When we're done, just annex the areas we have liberated and tell Sheinbaum to get bent.
Send it.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 9:21 am to RogerTheShrubber
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No, because its a 150B industry, before the day is over you would have a new network set up to supply.
And the next day, you wreck THAT shite. These people are selling death to idiots willing to die for their fix. And worse, willing to harm and even kill others for it. It's well past time we let the producers and traffickers experience some death and destruction in their families.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 9:27 am to troyt37
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And the next day, you wreck THAT shite.
Going to get real expensive, and domestic chemists will profit.
“See, if you look at the drug war from a purely economic point of view, the role of the government is to protect the drug cartel. That's literally true.”
- Milton Friedman
Posted on 12/23/24 at 9:31 am to Darth_Vader
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unleashing its full might against Mexico with zero mercy or pity.
It all starts with officially naming the drug cartels as terrorist organizations.
Until that happens there are limits to what can be done.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 9:42 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Going to get real expensive, and domestic chemists will profit.
No any more expensive than the arrest, prosecute, incarcerate, release revolving door we've been doing for decades. Not counting the innocents who pay with their lives, being caught up in some drug war bullshite.
Domestic chemists get long prison sentences.
All respect to Milton Friedman, but we prosecute the drug war in the shittiest, most expensive way possible. let the producers and traffickers feel some pain.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 9:49 am to Bass Tiger
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I've watched several docu-series on the Central America cartels and every one of those shows has the CIA and DEA neck deep in the cartel corruption.
It's the only reasonable explanation for the amount of drugs that enter this nation. There's no telling how high up in the federal government the cartels money flows.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 9:53 am to Red Stick Rambler
This reads as “I need MSDNC’s post around this because I’m truly against destroying the organizations who are facilitating drug and human trafficking in North America”. What more source do you actually need than a video of the man himself making this statement?
Posted on 12/23/24 at 9:55 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Here is a list.
LINK
O.k., thanks for at least attempting to answer the question this time.
However, you realize that that is simply a list of countries who have to some degree decriminalized drug use, right?
It doesn't provide a full analysis of the results (therefore, it still doesn't answer the question asked), and it doesn't include only countries that have gone in for full decriminalization of all drugs...some of them (many of them, actually, from a quick skim) appear to be just weed.
My assumption is that you were talking about full decriminalization.
I am for sure talking about an overall in-depth analysis of the pros and cons, not just something like, "Cases of AIDS went down!"
Posted on 12/23/24 at 9:58 am to RogerTheShrubber
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They come here legally.
But whether I enter the movie theatre with a ticket and then refuse to leave after the movie I paid to see is over, or whether sneak in the back door, I'm still trespassing either way.
Why does it matter whether they came here legally if they are here illegally now?
Posted on 12/23/24 at 10:00 am to RogerTheShrubber
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They come here legally
Posted on 12/23/24 at 10:03 am to Aubie Spr96
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War on drugs is a waste of time and resources. Make everything legal and take away the revenue stream from the cartels and they will go away.
That has worked great in San Francisco, Washington State, and Oregon.
Pattern for the world.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 10:11 am to RogerTheShrubber
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And dont have nearly the crime we do.
Link?
I'll bet you that any countries you're talking about didn't have nearly the crime we have before they decriminalized.
Plus, surely you don't think that inner city gang bangers who make money selling illicit drugs now would just stop committing crimes if drugs were decriminalized.
They would probably start specializing in gun running instead. Maybe human trafficking. Something. The black market is a lot bigger than just drugs. But what wouldn't happen is that they would say, "Well, can't make money selling drugs anymore, time to get my GED and go straight."
Here's the thing. I agree with you on this except for one thing.
I agree with you that as long as there is demand, you will always have drug cartels and people willing to supply the drugs. No matter what we do or no matter how tough we are on drug crimes.
But you can say that about literally anything. That's not a reason to decriminalize something. If it is, you might as well decriminalize human trafficking, robbing banks, rape, murder, etc.
And hard drugs are not "victimless crimes," because they do cause people to act recklessly, desperately, and dangerously.
The headlines I associate with decriminalization all look like this: WSJ
Everybody thinks it's going to be awesome until they see how degenerative the effect on society is given a few years.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 10:42 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
It’s all rhetoric at this point. I hope he doesn’t make Trump have to walk something back before he is even sworn in…Just secure the border. Finish and reinforce the wall. Enforce the law (It so simple), leverage Mexican support to better secure their southern border and fight drug and human trafficking within their borders (with more support from the U.S. government). Start tiered mass deportations. Set the globalist plan of US ruination back at least a decade or more.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 10:47 am to troyt37
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but we prosecute the drug war in the shittiest, most expensive way possible
How did prohibition work out?
Posted on 12/23/24 at 10:47 am to wackatimesthree
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But whether I enter the movie theatre with a ticket and then refuse to leave after the movie I paid to see is over, or whether sneak in the back door, I'm still trespassing either way.
Youre arguing something I never said.
Go read my post again.
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