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re: BOOM! Chaffetz " DOJ IG to investigate leaks"
Posted on 2/16/17 at 1:36 am to Cracking
Posted on 2/16/17 at 1:36 am to Cracking
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OK this is exactly what the NYT and most liberals are doing currently with this whole Russia thing being related in any way to Trump. There is no evidence and no fact relating the two, and in the NYT article it even states there is no evidence of illegal activity and no evidence of Trump directing Flynn and no evidence that Flynn discussed sanctions with the Russian ambassador. But they continue to tweet and print provocative conspiracy theories.
Lots of liberals most certainly are probably going off the deep end with speculation that is not substantiated. Maybe the NYT is too, I would need some links to confirm that though.
Though there absolutely is assertions by the intelligence community Flynn discussed sanctions. Just not that he made any specific promises or a quid pro quo. The claim is they were of a fairly broad nature. That he didn't do anything criminal but it hasn't been ruled out completely or that some illegal activity may have occurred.
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 1:42 am to Blizzard of Chizz
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If the NYT's and others are free to speculate on the facts regarding a phone conversation in response to Obama's sanctions, than I am free to speculate on the motives behind the sanctions. You can't deny that the Dems have been pushing this Russian conspiracy crap since election night, and you can't deny that Obama himself said there was nothing to it before the election. The Dems don't give a damn about the Russians, at least they didn't until they got their arse handed to them on election night. The only thing they care about is delegitimizating Trump. Trump is the target, not the Russians. Had Hillary won, there would be no Russian election stealing stories and there would be no Russian sanctions, because again the Dems don't give a damn about Russians.
It wouldn't of mattered who won, sanctions would of come. Don't be silly.
Regardless of your political leanings, the Russian actions were escalatory actions of espionage that were going to be met with retaliatory measures and sanctions.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 1:43 am to NOLA Bronco
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That he didn't do anything criminal but it hasn't been ruled out completely or that some illegal activity may have occurred.
You are correct. It says the discussions were of a general nature. But you really think the leak would hold back if illegal activity took place? OK. Must be a timing thing for effect. It all screams political theatre and conspiracy accusations for influencing public opinion. It's the worst part about the establishment and why Trump will gain advantage from this nonsense. He's been campaigning on moving past this exact crap to make real changes and actions to save our country from a debt spiral, a stagnant economy propped up by that spiraling debt and the threat of terrorism and illegal criminal immigrants. Trump will only demonstrate again why he was elected and it will give him more of a mandate once this crap is shown to be BS.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 1:46 am to NOLA Bronco
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17 intelligence agencies to be behind the hackings is such a ridiculous step to take
Dude, that didn't really happen..
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it couldn't of been that simple, it has to be more nefarious.
You people have gone mad and abandoned objectivity.. It was no secret Trump was going to be cleaning house
and who the frick tries to make a case for the CIA, NSA, etc. being genuine?!
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But like i said, lets have a full congressional investigation into the Trump administrations ties to Russia
What is there to investigate? The meetings of CNN board rooms?!
Posted on 2/16/17 at 1:47 am to NOLA Bronco
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Though there absolutely is assertions by the intelligence community Flynn discussed sanctions. Just not that he made any specific promises or a quid pro quo. The claim is they were of a fairly broad nature. That he didn't do anything criminal but it hasn't been ruled out completely or that some illegal activity may have occurred.
I have no doubt there were discussions about sanctions. That's my whole argument. An outgoing administration slapping sanctions on Russia is naturally going to cause the Russians to reach out to the incoming admin, expecially considering that Trump campaigned on better relations with them. Why is anyone shocked by this? That conversation would have happened a thousand times out of a thousand. The bridge too far is pointing at this conversation as proof of Trump/Russia collusion, which is what some are trying to do and what I maintain was the catalyst behind the sanctions to begin with.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 1:50 am to Cracking
I honestly can not take Trump supporters seriously when they speak of deadly debt spirals while they talk about building a 25 billion dollar wall for an immigration problem that is not really a problem, Trump takes 3 million dollar weekend outings to Mar-O-Lago, ran on huge investments in infrastructure spending, and a tax plan that the most generous estimates claim will raise deficits to 2.6 trillion a year.
Trump is not a fiscal conservative by any metric.
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This post was edited on 2/16/17 at 2:02 am
Posted on 2/16/17 at 1:56 am to Cracking
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It's hilarious that you leftists are so hell bent on conspiracy theories now because you've realized the ideology you hold so dear is being shown the light of reality.
"Conspiracy theories" would be a misrepresentation, you're giving them too much credit.. because we all know it's complete fabrication
Posted on 2/16/17 at 2:01 am to NOLA Bronco
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I honestly can not take Trump supporters seriously
You have no idea how bad we have it
Posted on 2/16/17 at 2:02 am to NOLA Bronco
25 billion on a wall is pocket change. Hell we are paying billions for a new Air Force 1 as well as billions more for a boondoggle fighter jet development project. Take a peek at the federal budget and make a list of the billions we throw away on social programs, yet the one place we wanna get real tight and stingy with our money and count every nickel is on the border.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 2:09 am to Blizzard of Chizz
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25 billion on a wall is pocket change. Hell we are paying billions for a new Air Force 1 as well as billions more for a boondoggle fighter jet development project. Take a peek at the federal budget and make a list of the billions we throw away on social programs, yet the one place we wanna get real tight and stingy with our money and count every nickel is on the border.
I gave the generous estimates on the wall, MIT has it up to 40 billion. And again, all for a problem that is not really a problem.
And I am not speaking of my preferences, I am speaking on Trump. If you have an issue with his policies, positions and statements, pick a better candidate next time. Nothing he has said in total context suggests a reduction in government debt. The opposite in fact.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 2:23 am to Blizzard of Chizz
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25 billion on a wall is pocket change
and let's not discuss the economic impact of putting people back to work.. that would be making things a little complex
Posted on 2/16/17 at 3:38 am to NOLA Bronco
No one is going to take anyone seriously when they shriek about obviously inflated numbers in the millions and billions after saying absolutely nothing about 10 trillion dollars added to the deficit in 8 years. That is an absurd stance
Posted on 2/16/17 at 3:51 am to gthog61
I'm not the one taking the position of a debt hawk and debt doom sayer. That was the person those posts were directed at. That for some reason is thinking that Trump will address his concerns.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 4:12 am to IceTiger
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What in a 10 minute conversation
Try to keep up with the facts.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 4:51 am to Jjdoc
Let's see what the senate does with mr Flynn
Posted on 2/16/17 at 5:00 am to cameronml
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Can't wait to hear what was discussed on those calls!
The entire media and imbecile prog democrats are chomping at the bit with popcorn, when the FBI already cleared Flynn. It sounds like the Russian diplomat brought up sanctions Flynn didn't and Flynn didn't guarantee anything.
BTW: This very same Russian diplomat has worked with and spoke with HRC and Kerry as routine business of FP.
The only thing this IG investigation will show is Clapper and Brennan and a few others.
Then Obama will say it's legal because he ordered it and it will magically go away because Obama is as slick as a snake and the devil, with his sore loser-- shadow revenge government. But it is not legal to leak this type of stuff to the media.
We have the filthy liar Dan Rather saying this is like WaterGate. What a fricking joke! There was a time the media could shape politics with such statements. The jig is up, no one trusts the media anymore.
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IT IS, OF COURSE, bizarre to watch this principle now so widely celebrated. Over the last eight years, President Obama implemented the most vindictive and aggressive war on whistleblowers in all of U.S. history. As Leonard Downie, one of the editors at the Washington Post during the Watergate investigation, put it in a special report: “The [Obama] administration’s war on leaks and other efforts to control information are the most aggressive I’ve seen since the Nixon administration.”
Posted on 2/16/17 at 5:14 am to Bass Tiger
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Careful what you ask for
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Loyal Americans want the whole truth regardless of the politics.
Yep - I want this aired out regardless of consequence. Just like Watergate, and I trusted Nixon right up until I didn't trust him anymore.
I don't really trust Trump as much as I did Nixon - I think his narcism could have led him into some really stupid situations. I hope not - I hope a rigorous investigation would exonerate him fully.
But I want this little wart excised before it grows into a cancer.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 6:17 am to Old Hellen Yeller
quote:Indeed it would.
It looks bad when you care more about the source of the leaks
Identifying the source and/or method of the leaks is paramount, always! Stopping them follows. Damage assessment is next. Punishment of the perp (if possible) is third, in that order.
Leak content is different though.
Once released, the material itself is what it is.
It's a horse-out-of-the-barn pretext.
The schadenfreude coming from HRC, Podesta and DNC hacks had to do with the breathtaking arrogant ignorance of those parties in maintaining cyber security, blowing-off FBI warnings, ignoring their own security directives, etc.
So a JrHighSchool-level phish yielded a treasure trove of emails, and a DNC breech finally occurred after weeks or months of the FBI warning of hack attempts by various culprits against a stagnant and outdated DNC security system.
In terms of resultant HRC-related hacked material, we saw content for ourselves. It was damaging not because some third party claimed it was. It was damaging of itself. That stands in stark contrast with the present Flynn scenario where there remains substantial question as to Flynn transcript content. We have nothing but conjecture --- and the fact the FBI has said flat out "There were no Logan Act violations."
Questions as to actual content of his conversations manifest especially when juxtaposed with MSM and Dem hysteria and claims. There was no such question in the Podesta/DNC releases. There was no one questioning veracity of those.
So try as you might, there are numerous differences between the two.
This post was edited on 2/16/17 at 7:48 am
Posted on 2/16/17 at 6:45 am to Jjdoc
I'll wait and see if anything actually happens. How'd the "investigation" into Hilldog work out? Yeah, not holding my breath.
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