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Bobby Kennedy explains U.S. history re: Russian & Ukraine why Putin has right to be angry
Posted on 2/11/24 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 2/11/24 at 3:58 pm
For anyone that didn't watch or understand the Tucker/Putin Interview,
This Video Clip (As Shown Above and linked within the Image) is an excellent summary.
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Posted on 2/11/24 at 4:13 pm to cajunangelle
Not entirely accurate. We told Gorbachev that we wouldn’t expand one inch to the east. However, at this point it was still the USSR (not Russia). Our intent was that the USSR was crumbling and we didn’t want NATO expansion to interfere with that domestic pressure.
This post was edited on 2/11/24 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 2/11/24 at 4:17 pm to bigblake
Give some weight to Putin. This isn’t accurate that it was limited in scope to the USSR days. Evidently, the Bushes and Barry O told Putin otherwise.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 4:20 pm to bigblake
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Joshua Shifrinson writes that analysts have long understood that states do not need formal agreements when determining expectations of future political actions, and also refers to the statements of US Secretary of State John Kerry, who recognized that even "legally non-binding" agreements constitute a necessary tool of international politics[41] and the practice of the Cold War, when informal agreements between the USSR and the USA defined the contours of the European security system (1950s and 1960s), and during the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962, they played a significant role in preventing a nuclear war between the USSR and the United States.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 4:25 pm to Northshoretiger87
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Give some weight to Putin. This isn’t accurate that it was limited in scope to the USSR days. Evidently, the Bushes and Barry O told Putin otherwise.
When did NATO commit to no eastward expansion?
Posted on 2/11/24 at 4:52 pm to bigblake
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Not entirely accurate. We told Gorbachev that we wouldn’t expand one inch to the east. However, at this point it was still the USSR (not Russia). Our intent was that the USSR was crumbling and we didn’t want NATO expansion to interfere with that domestic pressure.
Please tell me that you don't believe your words!!! What a fricking dishonest interpretation!!
Gorbachev took America at it's word..... which was shite! Russia reacted reasonably to invade Ukraine to protect its borders.
Just use your fricking brain! America reacted the same way when Russia was setting up missiles in Cuba!!!!!
Why is it ok for America (NATO proxy) to set up missiles on Russias border but Russia couldn't do it in Cuba?? The epitome of hypocrisy!
America is not the same country we used to pledge allegiance to in grade school. That's the very reason we have lost international respect.
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The documents show that Gorbachev agreed to German unification in NATO as the result of this cascade of assurances, and on the basis of his own analysis that the future of the Soviet Union depended on its integration into Europe, for which Germany would be the decisive actor. He and most of his allies believed that some version of the common European home was still possible and would develop alongside the transformation of NATO to lead to a more inclusive and integrated European space, that the post-Cold War settlement would take account of the Soviet security interests. The alliance with Germany would not only overcome the Cold War but also turn on its head the legacy of the Great Patriotic War.
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Posted on 2/11/24 at 4:56 pm to bigblake
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When did NATO commit to no eastward expansion?
Read the link below and search the topic, seek both sides and reach your own conclusion. I love America, but our federal government is corrupt and constantly lies to us. It more evident today because of independent media. This present administration is the absolute worse. A fricking joke. Putin told the truth with Tucker, the rest of the world laughs at us.
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Posted on 2/11/24 at 5:00 pm to lake chuck fan
Again, Gorbachev was the leader of the Soviet Union (USSR).
The USSR, not Russia, attempted to put missiles in Cuba.
Those assurances were given to a different country (no longer exists), as evidenced by your link.
The USSR, not Russia, attempted to put missiles in Cuba.
Those assurances were given to a different country (no longer exists), as evidenced by your link.
This post was edited on 2/11/24 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 2/11/24 at 5:02 pm to cajunangelle
The Russian Federation =/= the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Two separate countries with two very different governments.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 5:03 pm to bigblake
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Not entirely accurate. We told Gorbachev that we wouldn’t expand one inch to the east. However, at this point it was still the USSR (not Russia). Our intent was that the USSR was crumbling and we didn’t want NATO expansion to interfere with that domestic pressure.
Understood. However, with the fall of the Evil Empire of the Communists, it appears that non-Commie Russia wanted to be friends and cooperate economically and militarily with the west.
We apparently said "frick off. You are still our enemy because we need a boogieman to keep the money flowing."
You are ok with that?
Posted on 2/11/24 at 5:05 pm to bigblake
Omg. Smh.... The point of NATO was to stop communism. The USSR broke up. No more communism.
Even more reason to not expand NATO. It's plain and simple man.
We continued treating Russia as communist after they weren't. They made the change and attempted to become part of the western community and America treated them like they were still communist.
We should have proceeded cautiously and wisely, but pursued better relations. We wouldn't be where we are today, with them partnered up with China.
Even more reason to not expand NATO. It's plain and simple man.
We continued treating Russia as communist after they weren't. They made the change and attempted to become part of the western community and America treated them like they were still communist.
We should have proceeded cautiously and wisely, but pursued better relations. We wouldn't be where we are today, with them partnered up with China.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 5:17 pm to lake chuck fan
They fricked Russia like their going to frick us.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 5:18 pm to Speckhunter2012
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Understood. However, with the fall of the Evil Empire of the Communists, it appears that non-Commie Russia wanted to be friends and cooperate economically and militarily with the west. We apparently said "frick off. You are still our enemy because we need a boogieman to keep the money flowing." You are ok with that?
What you wrote is commentary. I’m not sure what means/method of “frick off” we conducted to a country on the other side of the world.
Regarding NATO expansion. It wouldn’t be all too unsurprising that populations that lived under the terrible constraints of the iron curtain would want to get some additional assurances that they would not return to those conditions. The first NATO additions post Soviet collapse were Poland Hungary and Czech.
This post was edited on 2/11/24 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 2/11/24 at 5:35 pm to cajunangelle
Ussr fell, too bad for them. frick russia
Posted on 2/11/24 at 5:54 pm to cajunangelle
Seems to me that Putin was explaining to Tucker that Ukraine was married to Russia and he was dragging her arse back to the house.
If his goal was to prevent NATO expansion, the Sweden and Finland gave him a big F U!
If his goal was to prevent NATO expansion, the Sweden and Finland gave him a big F U!
Posted on 2/11/24 at 6:15 pm to Gham
One written, formal, and signed agreement that I’m aware of are the Budapest memorandums, which were between still-existing countries: Ukraine, US, UK, Russia.
When Putin was confronted in 2014 about his country’s apparent violation of these agreements when invading crimea, he said “a new state arises, but with this state and in respect to this state, we have not signed any obligatory documents”.
So he thought a change in leadership of a country (Ukraine) was enough to absolve him of written formal agreements. Not sure why a non written, non formal assurance of no eastward NATO expansion with a now defunct country (USSR) somehow carries lots of weight.
When Putin was confronted in 2014 about his country’s apparent violation of these agreements when invading crimea, he said “a new state arises, but with this state and in respect to this state, we have not signed any obligatory documents”.
So he thought a change in leadership of a country (Ukraine) was enough to absolve him of written formal agreements. Not sure why a non written, non formal assurance of no eastward NATO expansion with a now defunct country (USSR) somehow carries lots of weight.
This post was edited on 2/11/24 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 2/11/24 at 6:21 pm to lake chuck fan
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Russia reacted reasonably to invade Ukraine to protect its borders.
Lol. By having more borders with NATO countries by taking Ukraine?
Idiot.
And you're admitting Putin was lying by saying he wasn't at war with Ukraine. He just wanted to denazify Ukraine.
Puti apologists are fricking simple minded.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 7:12 pm to cajunangelle
Baaa baaaaaaa
Posted on 2/11/24 at 7:18 pm to cajunangelle
Who gives a shite? Why should Russia get to decide who joins what? Imagine being a little twerp on Russia’s doorstep.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 7:24 pm to BayouBlitz
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Puti apologists are fricking simple minded.
It's like it never occurred to them as to WHY these countries are so eager to join NATO?......Sweden has been neutral even through WW2....wonder why Sweden is anxious to align with NATO now...or Finland for that matter? It got to be American expansionism and has nothing to do with Russian aggression.None of them had to join NATO.
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