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re: Black jurors show a 50-point swing based on the race of the defendant.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 9:52 pm to 4cubbies
Posted on 5/11/25 at 9:52 pm to 4cubbies
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How was it collected? Seems like it must have been self-reported to preserve the integrity of the jury.
reread your post. then reread mine, then we’ll continue the discussion
or you could just downvote and pretend like that post was responding to the data discussed in this thread, as opposed to the theoretical data you claimed would be unethical to study.
I’m willing to give the latitude that in your haste you may have misunderstood my particular response to your particular post. it’s not a good look, but the alternative is infinitely worse
This post was edited on 5/11/25 at 9:56 pm
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Posted on 5/11/25 at 9:55 pm to bhtigerfan
Been that way since OJ
Posted on 5/11/25 at 9:56 pm to WinnPtiger
Ok so you can’t answer my question and you’re trying to be cute in the name of your ego.
You don’t want to discuss. You want to be right without having to be right.
You don’t want to discuss. You want to be right without having to be right.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 9:59 pm to WinnPtiger
In order to obtain informed consent, the jury would automatically be biased.
If informed consent was not obtained, and the researcher somehow was actually on all these juries - the study wouldn’t be ethical because informed consent would be missing.
If the votes were self-reported, the data is just gossip.
If informed consent was not obtained, and the researcher somehow was actually on all these juries - the study wouldn’t be ethical because informed consent would be missing.
If the votes were self-reported, the data is just gossip.
This post was edited on 5/11/25 at 10:00 pm
Posted on 5/11/25 at 10:01 pm to 4cubbies
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Ok so you can’t answer my question and you’re trying to be cute in the name of your ego. You don’t want to discuss. You want to be right without having to be right.
i’m not sure how you tie your shoes. the original data is from the UK. you know, the population most similar to us on the planet. you then subsequently claimed that gathering similar data in the US would be unethical. I essentially said that if that study was conducted in the US, the data would be similar if not much, much worse.
and then like you do when caught in a corner over everything. every subsequent post becomes an argument over methodology, or implication, rather than the actual words said. I already know you’re going to have quippy reply to this that addresses none of the substance, and all of the formalities. and because of that, I’m out. but at some point you’re going to run out of the moral currency that gives people in your actual life the motivation to pretend like you aren’t aggressively stupid
Posted on 5/11/25 at 10:03 pm to WinnPtiger
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I’m out
Shocking. Calling a stranger names on the internet when you can’t explain yourself then sanctimoniously announcing your departure from the thread instead of actually using your brain.
Byeeeeeeeer
Posted on 5/11/25 at 10:06 pm to 4cubbies
care to respond the rest of the words?
Posted on 5/11/25 at 10:08 pm to WinnPtiger
I did and you downvoted it and replied with a bitchy attitude instead of defending your position of “yes the data is valid and ethical.”
Posted on 5/11/25 at 10:11 pm to RelicBatches86
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If the tweet is true, why are so many black men locked up at high rates in cities with a decent sized Black population if their juror pools are biased?
because if you commit dozens of crimes you have a high probability of being locked up even with 25% conviction rates
Posted on 5/11/25 at 10:12 pm to 4cubbies
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I did and you downvoted it
I missed that. please quote it in your reply
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defending your position of “yes the data is valid and ethical.”
oh right. so you’re still deliberately doing this.
this is what you said
“It wouldn’t be ethical to actually study this in a way that would provide valid data.”
here’s what I said
“the data would be valid. you just wouldn’t like it. ergo, it’s “unethical” to study”
we both had qualifier words in our posts. most notably, the word “would”
Posted on 5/11/25 at 10:17 pm to WinnPtiger
Posted on 5/11/25 at 10:20 pm to 4cubbies
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Poor persecuted white men just can’t catch a break.
Your husband must be black, if not, I feel bad for your White son(s) growing up in the world you support for them to live in.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 10:21 pm to HagaDaga
Noted.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 10:24 pm to 4cubbies
Did you learn a lot a lot about juries in the SULC application process?
Posted on 5/11/25 at 10:29 pm to 4cubbies
that had nothing to do with what I said. racial makeup of juries is already public record. all it would take, just the UK study, would be to tally votes and distribute them by race. it would be no different than the data we already collect for the census. each data point could be collected in serialized fashion without exposing the identity of any juror. I know you know that
there’s a reason that hasn’t been done in the US. I know it. you know it. everyone knows it. and that’s fine, but you don’t get throw a temper tantrum because someone actually does compile data
there’s a reason that hasn’t been done in the US. I know it. you know it. everyone knows it. and that’s fine, but you don’t get throw a temper tantrum because someone actually does compile data
This post was edited on 5/11/25 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 5/11/25 at 10:30 pm to 4cubbies
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Poor persecuted white men just can’t catch a break.
I don't know you, so I'll withhold judgment. But every single person I've heard say that in my life, without exception, is an absolute, unthinking, shallow, cognitively impaired fricking moron.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 10:31 pm to WinnPtiger
I’m questioning the validity of the data. I am not posing an argument for or against it because frankly, the data looks like bullshite.
Do you understand my concerns about the validity of the data? I’m not being rude or snarky; it seems like we’re not having the same discussion.
Do you understand my concerns about the validity of the data? I’m not being rude or snarky; it seems like we’re not having the same discussion.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 10:32 pm to L.A.
If you’re reserving judgement, why did you want me to see that? Seems petty and unproductive.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 10:33 pm to L.A.
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I don't know you, so I'll withhold judgment
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But every single person I've heard say that in my life, without exception, is an absolute, unthinking, shallow, cognitively impaired fricking moron.
Sounds like you know her very well actually.
Throw in something about having sex with homeless people and I’d swear yall were closely related.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 10:34 pm to 4cubbies
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because frankly, the data looks like bullshite.
that would be equivalent to pretending that black men 15-40 don’t commit over half of murders in America. I know why you think it’s bullshite, but even if it’s off by 10%, does it even minutely change the perceived outcome?
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it seems like we’re not having the same discussion.
it doesn’t seem that way. you’re deliberately making it that way
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