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re: Bishop Duca going political again
Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:40 am to Lsupimp
Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:40 am to Lsupimp
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So what IS the relationship between Catholic Charities and the Catholic Church
Not much different than the relationship between the Salvation Army and the US Armed forces. I joke......and there are obviously Catholics involved with Catholic Charities. However, That Charity is not in any way part of the Catholic Church proper, it's a distinctly separate organization.
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Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:40 am to Snipe
From what I can ascertain- ICE has the legal authority to enter and conduct enforcement in the public areas of Churches and mosques -the sanctuary, parking lot, lobby, etc. They need a warrant to go into private areas of the church.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:41 am to Lsupimp
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They are in fear of being detained if they go to church. Is that a debatable point?
Because???
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I agree. He / The Catholic Church did not tell them to stay in their own countries. I too, would have preferred that. I have always been an opponent of ILLEGAL immigration. It’s a travesty that the border was specifically opened for the exact point that now these people have to be deported. Democrats created the problem and the fact that all these illegal immigants have to be deported is on THEM.
My comments are really directed towards the church, not you. I have a general idea of where you stand on the issues and understand the complexities of your personal/political beliefs, and Church doctrine.
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He specifically talked about how he favors detaining / deporting those who commit crimes or who are a threat yesterday in his sermon. You can watch on Catholic Life tv for proof. I wouldn’t lie to you and I heard it with my own two ears.
I was in Mass yesterday, i heard it as well. Though i didn't hear this part. Maybe it was because i was too busy stewing in my seat.
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And let me give you an example of areal life situations- and I’m hoping you will read my comments with an open mind and In the spirit of friendship. Let’s say Jose and his wife came over in 2021, and presented themselves at the border. They received a temporary stay and have to go to court periodically. They got jobs at a construction site and go to a Catholic Church. They received an extension through October 2026.
The concern is with the millions that did not seek government approval. And, if his stay is until October 2026, he doesn't have anything to worry about. If he is worried, then he can thank the leftwing media for pushing lies meant to foment fear, which is the real purpose, which is also what Duca and the diocese is taking part in.
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They essentially have CONFLICTING information.
Because of blatant lies by the media, and either complicit lies or willful ignorance from the church.
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On the other they know they can be detained and deported at any time.
But that isn't happening. That is the problem with spreading propaganda, whether it by media or the church. It is meant to confuse and contort the message.
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And the Bishop hears this, is moved by this dilemma and issues a dispensation.
And doesn't understand what he doesn't understand.
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In NO way does that excuse criminal behavior or illegal border crossings. But it is how a Bishop might see something as a leader of his flock who is concerned with the larger teachings of Jesus Christi in a way that a Baw doesn’t. And if we are to think critically, we have to be able to hold two conflicting ideas in our minds ( I agree with you that the primacy here is with immigration law) which is that we favor Border security and we also understand our duties as Christians. And sometimes those things conflict and a Bishop will have to thread that needle and balance the spiritual requirements of his parishioners to political and policy events.
I acknowledge this. However, as i stated earlier, the only reason there is not clarity, is because the left is spreading propaganda. The church, clearly isn't looking to spot the propaganda, and is being empathetic. However, as we have seen in real time, toxic empathy is how the worst outcomes always prevail.
If you talk to Bishop Duca again, maybe ask him about letters that were written when Obama was deporting 3 million people? Or, ask him if the church, in it's empathy, has ever considered the harm that becomes the people that travel here illegally? Or, the resulting harm from unchecked illegal immigration to the communities they are pushed into?
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions." This should be brought up and examined within the church, especially with its' lean into socialism. Does the Church ever forward think? Do they ever think of the consequences of their "good intentions"?
Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:47 am to moneyg
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What it does do is shed light on Duca and the Church's position on illegal immigration in general. Deciding to invade another country is immoral. Deciding to stay in another country illegally is immoral. Deciding to do all of that so you can absorb the social services meant to help the poor in said country is immoral.
Here's a spreadsheet of government money that goes to Catholic charities. Should be investigated:
Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:49 am to Louisianalabguy
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Here's a spreadsheet of government money that goes to Catholic charities. Should be investigated:
It is, that's why some of these charities have stopped and others are seeking restitution from fedgov because they already spent the money.
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In April, the USCCB said it would not renew its cooperative agreements with the federal government related to children's services and refugee support after its longstanding partnerships with the federal government in those areas became "untenable." Meanwhile, the bishops are seeking reimbursement for more than $24 million in federal funding for services already provided.
This post was edited on 12/8/25 at 10:50 am
Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:50 am to Louisianalabguy
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Here's a spreadsheet of government money that goes to Catholic charities. Should be investigated
There's nothing to investigate. That was USAID money going to a charity which is unaffiliated with the church. And for the record I'm completely for defunding them.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:57 am to dragginass
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There's nothing to investigate.
USCCB, Catholic Charities among 200 NGOs in House probe on migrant aid
Posted on 12/8/25 at 11:01 am to BugAC
We all know the USAID/ NGO money machine was in full swing. If there was something criminal in how the funds were used then go after them. I should have been clear, in saying that where the money itself went was not criminal. I'm in no way defending "Catholic Charities" or their mission and actions.
This post was edited on 12/8/25 at 11:02 am
Posted on 12/8/25 at 11:04 am to BugAC
quote:That’s all I said. They ARE in fear.
Because???
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My comments are really directed towards the church, not you. I have a general idea of where you stand on the issues and understand the complexities of your personal/political beliefs, and Church doctrine.
I never doubted that, friend.
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And, if his stay is until October 2026, he doesn't have anything to worry about - that isn’t happening
Clarification- it IS happening. Immigration judges are making rulings which override earlier paperwork/ judgements. I’m not arguing against them doing so. I’m just saying this is why they are staying out of sight out of mind
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However, as we have seen in real time, toxic empathy is how the worst outcomes always prevail.
I agree entirely.
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If you talk to Bishop Duca again, maybe ask him about letters that were written when Obama was deporting 3 million people? Or, ask him if the church, in it's empathy, has ever considered the harm that becomes the people that travel here illegally? Or, the resulting harm from unchecked illegal immigration to the communities they are pushed into?
Those are all fair points. Bishop Duca is very accessible and thoughtful. I know he would value your input.
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The road to hell is paved with good intentions." This should be brought up and examined within the church, especially with its' lean into socialism. Does the Church ever forward think? Do they ever think of the consequences of their "good intentions"?
Another fair point. however on the strict point of a dispensation, I completely support Bishop Duca. I think it is wise and compassionate to take that weight off of any members of the Church who have this dilemma. Often with maybe one member of a family.
On the strict issue of illegal immigration I stand with you in support of The Rule of Law.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 11:15 am to Louisianalabguy
Dispensation of Sunday obligation is very common in areas where attendees might be subject to arrest for attending Mass. Everything from natural disaster curfews and covid closures, to true political persecution.
We can argue the merits of each of these situations but the Church has a history of not being the cause of arrest.
We can argue the merits of each of these situations but the Church has a history of not being the cause of arrest.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 11:19 am to dragginass
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There's nothing to investigate. That was USAID money going to a charity which is unaffiliated with the church. And for the record I'm completely for defunding them.
C'mon, you actually think people believe the ACCB has nothing to do with a clearly "Catholic" organization that raises hundreds of millions of dollars per year from the government? Don't be obtuse. Your argument is juvenile and inaccurate at best.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 11:51 am to Louisianalabguy
Read my reply above. There is nothing to investigate insofar as where the USAID money went. If it was used improperly by any NGO then absolutely prosecute. I have no love for the Catholic Charities organization as a whole.
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C'mon, you actually think people believe the ACCB has nothing to do with a clearly "Catholic" organization that raises hundreds of millions of dollars per year from the government? Don't be obtuse. Your argument is juvenile and inaccurate at best.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 12:05 pm to dragginass
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American Bishop's are entitled to their (often wrong) political opinions, but those opinions are not part of the magisterium of the church.
Ecclesial Communities seem to be doing more harm than good. Much like many Vatican II efforts.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 12:53 pm to dragginass
OK Bishop Duca…
Splitting hairs here… when there’s a worm in the apple, the whole apple is tarnished…
Been a Catholic my whole life. Been to Manresa over 25 years. Been to ACTS retreats…
The Catholic Church has long been infiltrated my Marxist…
The leadership is presently headed in the wrong d
Splitting hairs here… when there’s a worm in the apple, the whole apple is tarnished…
Been a Catholic my whole life. Been to Manresa over 25 years. Been to ACTS retreats…
The Catholic Church has long been infiltrated my Marxist…
The leadership is presently headed in the wrong d
Posted on 12/8/25 at 1:05 pm to Lsupimp
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Lsupimp
I appreciate the responses.
I think a lot of this boils down to (at least for me), there is never any acknowledgement for the good guys, and that's where a lot of frustration comes from.
A man in NYC stops a terror attack, the Church doesn't issue proclamations praising his good deeds.
Transgender surgery bills are passed in states, church = silent.
As another poster stated, Roe V. Wade is overturned, church = silent.
ICE recovers 30,000 children that disappeared under the Biden admin, church = silent.
Good people don't need acknowledgement for their good deeds. However, it does surely seem that the Church will bend over backwards to acknowledge or satiate the bad deeds of the left.
Illegal immigration = Church issues special dispensation
Gay Marriage = Pope blesses them
Immoral Religion of Islam = Pope opens prayer room for Muslims
The Pope, like so many liberals, twist themselves in knots to praise immoral acts like mentioned above, yet the good deeds done daily by us average normal people, who are just trying to raise a family in God's image, are stepped over by the very people demanding we shed just a little of our own morality because it may make the truly immoral uncomfortable or angry.
And i understand that a pope can have his own ideas as long as it's not ex cathedra, however, the College of Cardinals needs to have a long look and start changing procedure NOW to stop electing those that have personal ideologies that don't jive with scripture. Or stop appointing evil men into positions of influence (child assault cases for example) and don't try to cover it up. All of this harms the church. And Bishop Duca's lettter did nothing to bring anyone to the Church on Sunday. If anything, it drove parishioners out. And for what? To get his liberal virtue points out in the open.
This post was edited on 12/8/25 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 12/8/25 at 1:11 pm to Out da box
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Splitting hairs here… when there’s a worm in the apple, the whole apple is tarnished…
Been a Catholic my whole life. Been to Manresa over 25 years. Been to ACTS retreats…
The Catholic Church has long been infiltrated my Marxist…
The leadership is presently headed in the wrong d
I believe I stated Duca was wrongfor writing what he did ....
The leadership of the church is always a concern, and always will be. There are Fr. James Martin type priests, and there are Fr. Mike Schmitz's. The truths of the Mass remain, however.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 1:16 pm to TROLA
I sorta felt like my priest was uncomfortable reading it
Posted on 12/8/25 at 1:24 pm to Louisianalabguy
if you think that letter is "political" then you must not read the bible at all.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 1:25 pm to Wednesday
bullshite you want to believe that any priest who actually believes what they are preaching would be 100% aligned with that letter
Posted on 12/8/25 at 1:27 pm to Semper Gumby
good - don't go back please
Welcome immigrants and refugees as if they were Me.”
Matthew 25:35 – “I was a stranger and you welcomed me.”
Welcome immigrants and refugees as if they were Me.”
Matthew 25:35 – “I was a stranger and you welcomed me.”
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