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Big Beautiful Bill - Can anyone here break it down on the exclusions on tips and OT?
Posted on 6/1/25 at 11:58 pm
Posted on 6/1/25 at 11:58 pm
I tried to comb through a few snippets of the bill on these topics and was conflicted. There appears to be metrics that have to be met in order for the taxes on tips and overtime to be waived. All I can find on the "what the bill means to me" articles are vague. In the bill itself has requirements (copied from Congress.gov)
Of course they would defer to a section that is not easily understood. Anyone here have a feel for if this applies to the average worker? If the tax breaks only apply for earners under 40K, then whoop-ti-doo! I did see one media source say the tip cut-off was like 160K, so that would be more appropriate. Can anyone dissect what is under section 414(q)(1)(B)(i)?
Thanks in advance.
quote:
‘‘(B) any amount received by an individual
18 during a taxable year if such individual is a
19 highly compensated employee (as defined in sec20 tion 414(q)(1)) of any employer for the cal21 endar year in which the taxable year begins, or
22 receives earned income in excess of the dollar
23 amount in effect under section 414(q)(1)(B)(i)
24 for such calendar year"
Of course they would defer to a section that is not easily understood. Anyone here have a feel for if this applies to the average worker? If the tax breaks only apply for earners under 40K, then whoop-ti-doo! I did see one media source say the tip cut-off was like 160K, so that would be more appropriate. Can anyone dissect what is under section 414(q)(1)(B)(i)?
Thanks in advance.
Posted on 6/2/25 at 12:09 am to mjfrog93
quote:
highly compensated employee
Over $160K
Posted on 6/2/25 at 12:56 am to RobbBobb
quote:
Over $160K
Yes I'd agree with that notion being for a "highly compensated employee". And even that is just one media translation. But I doubt the metrics are the same for tip earners are the same for overtime earners. Two different earning styles. The wording for tip earners does not seem to be equal to overtime earners in this bill. I would expect the metrics to be different. It would seem to me, that the specifics of this cut-off would have more value if a practical number were thrown out there to gain popularity. Without that, it's easy to shame the bill to say it only applies to the lowest income earners. So, the question is to ask, what of the middle income earners? This is a narrative question, and someone needs to explain the metrics of the bill, else the wrong side (and I'm not sure what side that is!) will capitalize on why this is great or terrible.
Posted on 6/2/25 at 6:23 am to mjfrog93
It sounded good on the campaign trail. Now that the details are coming out it's not going to help the average O/T earning person that much.
Posted on 6/2/25 at 6:26 am to mjfrog93
Bill Summary
No Tax on Overtime reads like it is excluding overtime from gross/taxable income. No deduction involved.
No Tax on Overtime Act
quote:
This bill establishes a new tax deduction of up to $25,000 for tips, subject to limitations. The bill also expands the business tax credit for the portion of payroll taxes an employer pays on certain tips to include payroll taxes paid on tips received in connection with certain beauty services.
Under the bill, the new tax deduction for tips is limited to cash tips (1) received by an employee during the course of employment in an occupation that customarily receives tips, and (2) reported by the employee to the employer for purposes of withholding payroll taxes. (Under current law, an employee is required to report tips exceeding $20 per month to their employer.)
Further, an employee with compensation exceeding a specified threshold ($160,000 in 2025 and adjusted annually for inflation) in the prior tax year may not claim the new tax deduction for tips
No Tax on Overtime reads like it is excluding overtime from gross/taxable income. No deduction involved.
No Tax on Overtime Act
Posted on 6/2/25 at 6:27 am to mjfrog93
Here’s how it works:
1). We’re 37 trillion in debt
2) Anything we do that decreases revenue is stupid and wrong
3) Anything that we do to increase spending is stupid and wrong
4) 1 gets worse when 2,3 are ignored
1). We’re 37 trillion in debt
2) Anything we do that decreases revenue is stupid and wrong
3) Anything that we do to increase spending is stupid and wrong
4) 1 gets worse when 2,3 are ignored
This post was edited on 6/2/25 at 6:28 am
Posted on 6/2/25 at 6:36 am to mjfrog93
They just piggy-backed on the definition of highly compensated employee that's utilized in the context of retirement plans and other employee benefits for purposes of ensuring those plans/benefits aren't set up to favor highly compensated employees. All you need to know is that 160k is the threshold and it periodically is adjusted for inflation.
Posted on 6/2/25 at 7:44 am to Jorts R Us
Taxes will still be deducted foe o/t on your check. SS, Medicare and State taxes on o/t will continue to be taken out. You only get any relief on the o/t deduction when you file your taxes.
Posted on 6/2/25 at 8:01 am to justjoe906
quote:Obviously nothing's passed yet.
It sounded good on the campaign trail. Now that the details are coming out it's not going to help the average O/T earning person that much.
If things proceed as expected though, "the average O/T earning person" benefits from the 2017 changes being made permanent.
E.g., The lifetime estate and gift tax exemption was scheduled to revert to $7 million per person next year. The BBB would increase the lifetime estate and gift tax exemption to $15 million for single filers and $30 million for married couples, with future adjustments for inflation.
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