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re: Biden warns that states will start arresting women who cross state lines seeking abortions
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:10 pm to AggieHank86
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:10 pm to AggieHank86
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I would not have had brain function adequate to hold an opinion on the matter ... which is why I should not (and did not) have vested legal rights at that time.
Well then, pretend that you're a toddler, like the rest of us do. Is your life worth more now?
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Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:11 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:The concept of "rights" has developed over thousands of years. In the end, our societies have evolved "rights" because they are utilitarian.
And where did this so called "legal" right to life come from? Did man give it to you?
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:13 pm to Jbird
No joke!!
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:16 pm to Jbird
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Biden warns that states will start arresting women who cross state lines seeking abortions
They should all move before that happens
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:16 pm to AggieHank86
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Is it really that much of a stretch?
Please tell me you're not that obtuse?
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:18 pm to Jbird
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Joe Biden
The absolute dumbest guy they could’ve picked.
It was almost like they were rubbing our noses in what they were doing.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:18 pm to AggieHank86
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Is it really that much of a stretch?
Yes, Oliver. It is.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:19 pm to Jbird
Nah, we are just going to close the border behind them
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:20 pm to Jbird
I would rather we send any liberal in a red state to a blue state. And tell them to stay there.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:21 pm to AggieHank86
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I would not have had brain function adequate to hold an opinion on the matter
Neither does an 18 month old.
Should we butcher them too?
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:24 pm to Jbird
He should've gone further:
'They're gonna be arrested for crossing state lines. Then, they're gonna be taken to a secret basement and beaten with whips until they promise to raise that baby. Then they will be thrown bloodied into the street. It's gonna happen. It's gonna happen.'
'They're gonna be arrested for crossing state lines. Then, they're gonna be taken to a secret basement and beaten with whips until they promise to raise that baby. Then they will be thrown bloodied into the street. It's gonna happen. It's gonna happen.'
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:24 pm to tgerb8
I am not sure how you got the idea that Section 171.208 involves LEOs in any way. I suggest that you actually READ the statute. It awards that $10,000 bounty to anyone sues a person who "knowingly engages in conduct that aids or abets the performance or inducement of an abortion." In essence, it provides a financial incentive for private citizens to enforce a policy that Roe prevented the State from enforcing itself.
Anyway, the statute does not limit itself to acts inside the State of Texas. Remember, Texas did not go the "criminal route." For now, it involves civil liability. (I suspect that will change, with Dobbs now on-the-books).
But let's assume arguendo that such a provision is implicit. Even if the actual abortion occurs outside the State of Texas, a person would be liable under 171.208 if that person takes steps IN TEXAS which would aid a woman in obtaining an abortion out-of-state.
If post-Dobbs Texas moves to a criminal enforcement scheme, those "assistance" actions would still be occurring within the State.
Anyway, the statute does not limit itself to acts inside the State of Texas. Remember, Texas did not go the "criminal route." For now, it involves civil liability. (I suspect that will change, with Dobbs now on-the-books).
But let's assume arguendo that such a provision is implicit. Even if the actual abortion occurs outside the State of Texas, a person would be liable under 171.208 if that person takes steps IN TEXAS which would aid a woman in obtaining an abortion out-of-state.
If post-Dobbs Texas moves to a criminal enforcement scheme, those "assistance" actions would still be occurring within the State.
This post was edited on 7/1/22 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:31 pm to Jbird
That idiot has lost his mind, what little he had to start with.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:32 pm to AUHighPlainsDrifter
quote:How many times must we dance exactly the same tiresome dance?
Well then, pretend that you're a toddler, like the rest of us do. Is your life worth more now?
Yes, it would be different, because current law says that my negative right not to be killed will have vested.
"Oh, oh, oh ... What about 6.7 seconds before birth?" (dances victory dance that a newborn and a 6.7-second preborn are biologically indistinguishable).
(shakes head) There IS NO fixed point in time at which rights just "naturally" vest, either before birth or after. As a society, we just have to pick a pragmatic point at which we agree to do so. Maybe it is 16 weeks gestation. Maybe it is birth. Maybe it is two years after birth.
All are equally arbitrary, because we simply CANNOT answer a philosophical question (when should rights vest) through science or biology or whatever. Your philosophical position on the matter will differ from mine, which will differ from Jenthe. So, to have a LEGAL standard, we all must compromise and find something that makes all of us equally unhappy.
"Safe" driving at 69mph does not magically become "unsafe" driving at 71mph. We as a society just chose 70mph as a standard that seemed reasonable and that most of us were willing to accept.
The search for a biological answer to a philosophical question is a fool's errand.
This post was edited on 7/1/22 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:34 pm to AggieHank86
There’s no way they would clog the criminal courts with these cases. It makes no sense from a practical standpoint.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:37 pm to FlyingTiger1955
quote:The vast majority of the anti-abortion statutes have historically been criminal in nature, and I think that MOST of them NOW are as well.
There’s no way they would clog the criminal courts with these cases. It makes no sense from a practical standpoint.
Texas and a few other states were unique in crafting this sneaky "civil enforcement" approach ... wholly to avoid Roe. With Dobbs, the need for such a "clever" approach (and it WAS clever) disappears.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:39 pm to AggieHank86
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I am not sure how you got the idea that Section 171.208 involves LEOs in any way
I was referring to LEOs in relationship to Bidens statement. not the "statute."
I am pretty sure that that isn't going to stand up if they start charging mom's for driving daughters out of state for abortions (if the law does in fact include something like that). talk about no standing. now, of course that doesn't apply to aiding within state lines where they absolutely have standing.
either way.. anything Biden says is a lie. so it's an enormous stretch based purely on that.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:40 pm to AggieHank86
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AggieHank86
I rather enjoy your extreme hypocritical nature. While in the thread about hutchinson you comment.
LINK
quote:
I did not watch her testimony.
Which of these four items involved her (a) claiming to have actually witnessed an event, versus (b) repeating something she claims she was told second hand?
So far:
(1) (b)
told by Anthony Ornato, Trump’s chief of operations
(2) (a)
Hutchinson claims she transcribed it. Eric Herschmann claims he wrote it. Handwriting analysis should answer this one easily enough.
(3) (b)
Told details by a WH valet. Helped clean up mess.
(4) (a)
Claims to have overheard Trump herself.
You are being extremely literal, and more than generous in stating that based on a technicality, she didn't lie under oath.
Then in this thread, you post.
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Texas' new law already pays a $10,000 bounty for identifying those who "assist" a woman in obtaining an abortion.
Is it really that much of a stretch?
You are more than willing to indulge in the hyperbole of the left.
Ah, the old noble Aggiehank, once again, shilling for the left at every turn, while proclaiming to be "Republican".
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:41 pm to tgerb8
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:41 pm to tgerb8
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This post was edited on 7/1/22 at 2:42 pm
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