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re: Biden wants to end use of fossil fuels but leads in Texas by 5 in the polls

Posted on 7/15/20 at 10:06 am to
Posted by FlyingTiger1955
Member since Jan 2019
5765 posts
Posted on 7/15/20 at 10:06 am to
Trump needs to frame this as fracking ban equals drilling ban. There will be no drilling if you can’t complete the wells.
Posted by KCT
Psalm 23:5
Member since Feb 2010
38911 posts
Posted on 7/15/20 at 10:24 am to
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Biden wants to end use of fossil fuels but leads in Texas by 5 in the polls


To the extent this is even remotely close to being true, it simply shows how important it is to control the airwaves. The corrupt, bought-and-paid-for corporate media bashes Trump 24/7, and it has a major impact on low-information voters.

And of course, with Trump it isn't just the conventional media. The morning shows on the networks bash Trump incessantly, too, as well as mindless daytime talk shows like The View. Even the late-night talk shows turned into Trump bashfests once he was selected.

Never underestimate the impact that the propaganda wing of the Deep State, corporate media, can have on basically uninformed people.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
15036 posts
Posted on 7/15/20 at 10:30 am to
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I’d find it very hard to believe that a state reliant on the fossil fuel industry would vote against its best interest.


It depends on how many preppy millennials (like Beto) have moved into Texas over the past ten years. It's possible given the stupid shite we see out of California and New York nowadays. They will cut off their noses to spite their faces or whatever the saying is. Dems are working hard to turn Texas blue. When it happens, it's all over at least for a while.

Posted by HighlyFavoredTiger
TexLaArk
Member since Jun 2018
877 posts
Posted on 7/15/20 at 10:54 am to
Most conservatives realize that there is a lot of political and media propaganda out there now and polls like those indicating Biden leads in Texas are flawed.
But unfortunately for Texas and the rest of the nation, the attack on Americans energy industry, power industry and the national power grid is very real and is just another part of they attempt that is going on in the streets of the US to completely change and overthrow normal life in the US. This attack has been going on for over 20 years and includes groups like the Sierra Club and has already impacted thousands of utility industry and gas and oil jobs. The gas and oil jobs may bounce back like they have over the decades with the market moving up and down but electric utility jobs will not bounce back like oil and gas jobs.
Those job losses are occurring because major power generation facilities are being shut down at record numbers and each one that closes eliminated from 25 up to 100’s of long term, good paying, benefit providing stable jobs. Those jobs are being replaced by wind, solar and other forms of generation that are not nearly as stable form of energy but that has been heavily and unjustly subsidized by Federal government funding. This has destabilized the energy grid and caused several long time major power companies to loss billions in investments and are causIng those companies to struggle to survive. Destabilizing these traditional foundations of critical US infrastructure is a major part of the liberals plan to break down the traditional US and it makes it easier manipulate access to important essential electricity.
Posted by 6R12
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2005
8610 posts
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:02 am to
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If you believe that, you probably think that all Covid test results are valid, there is no voter fraud, and the Easter Bunny is real.


I swear I pressed the UPVOTE button 200 times in your favor.
Posted by Gtmodawg
PNW
Member since Dec 2019
4580 posts
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:24 am to
Does anyone, not in the oil/coal industry, not want to see the end of fossil fuels? Seriously, if there were an alternative (there isn't....but there wasn't an alternative to whale oil at one time) who would advocate for the continued use of fossil fuels, outside the industry??? Wanting to end the use of outhouses didn't mean a person was advocating for the outlawing of outhouses until such time as a better alternative was readily available.
Posted by mikeytig
NE of Tiger Stadium
Member since Nov 2007
7061 posts
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:27 am to
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Didn’t they poll like 1,100 people?


in south houston
Posted by GeauxFightingTigers1
Member since Oct 2016
12574 posts
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:31 am to
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Does anyone, not in the oil/coal industry, not want to see the end of fossil fuels? Seriously, if there were an alternative (there isn't....but there wasn't an alternative to whale oil at one time) who would advocate for the continued use of fossil fuels, outside the industry??? Wanting to end the use of outhouses didn't mean a person was advocating for the outlawing of outhouses until such time as a better alternative was readily available.


I welcome alternative energy especially if it can be done safe and relatively cheap. The problem with green energy isn't the goal.... its they have no realistic goal to achieve.

Yes, over the next few hundred years humans will have to find better solutions but its not something we need to pay billionaires to subsidize products which are basically fraudulent.

Its about tax credit, giving money to people, etc.

Its a fraud.
This post was edited on 7/15/20 at 11:32 am
Posted by HighlyFavoredTiger
TexLaArk
Member since Jun 2018
877 posts
Posted on 7/15/20 at 12:23 pm to
The electric generating industry is one of, if not the most, regulated industries in the country, the government has been making it almost impossible to generate electricity for years now. Coal and natural gas are 2 of America’s most abundant natural resources and for years they were the only resources we had that could compete with Arab oil.
Foreign countries that are not allies of the US have recognized that and have funded much of the opposition that has been targeted toward the US power companies. When all the coal burners are gone, which will be soon, they’ll start closing all the older gas burners amd when they’re all closed, they’ll start targeting the newer, clean burning gas fired combined cycle plants until every supply of electrify that uses America’s most abundant fuel sources are gone.
When the happens, the wind and solar which depends on wind to blow and the sun to shine, will be the largest suppliers but have proven for years that they must have backup supply from power plants to take up the load when the wind isn’t blowing and sun isn’t shining. Those backup plants will at that time be closed. How many of us like it when it’s 98 outside and the A/C goes off due to a power outage? We need to learn to like it because that is where we are headed without sustainable constant electric supply.
Posted by Gtmodawg
PNW
Member since Dec 2019
4580 posts
Posted on 7/15/20 at 1:36 pm to
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I welcome alternative energy especially if it can be done safe and relatively cheap. The problem with green energy isn't the goal.... its they have no realistic goal to achieve. Yes, over the next few hundred years humans will have to find better solutions but its not something we need to pay billionaires to subsidize products which are basically fraudulent. Its about tax credit, giving money to people, etc. Its a fraud.


The danger inherent in our politicization of this issue is that someone somewhere in the world is, as we speak, working on the solution, probably with unlimited state sponsored funding freed up by our policing of the world, which will find the correct formula and they will be at an extreme competitive advantage in the race to lower energy costs...real and true energy costs, not simply the price at the pump and the price per KWh.

Both sides of the issue are crippling our collective effort...the fossil fuel lobby is adamant it ain't happening, the green energy environmental lobby is adamant that the only way to achieve any kind of change is to make fossil fuels to expensive to use without a viable alternative in place. Meanwhile we provide global security and safe markets for goods manufactured around the world, not to mention safe passage of those goods, and our competitors are working day and night solving the cheaper energy equation with funding they are free to use for such research because they don't foot the bill for their own security alone and without you and subsidizing those costs for them.

When we decided to go to the moon in this country we did it...man kind had only dreamt of doing it a few years until we actually did it....we have the resources and the people in this country who can solve the energy question but we allow politics and special interests hobble our success. Meanwhile our competitors, subsidized by you and I, are not above strapping scientists and engineers to the yoke and not releasing them until the solve the equation and starving entire portions of their citizenry in the process, spending money on gaining a competitive advantage. If we do not stand together we will surely hand separately....metaphorically speaking of course.
Posted by Pianoman
New Iberia
Member since Dec 2003
2874 posts
Posted on 7/15/20 at 1:37 pm to
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Didn’t they poll like 1,100 people? Great sample size for the state of Texas


Probably all in Austin.
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
10371 posts
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:11 pm to
Missed the point completely

Wind won’t replace oil and gas anytime soon

Demand for oil and gas is the key though and it’s quite possible that it will slow for whatever reason and that means a lower price which means less money for those that sell it
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
45994 posts
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:34 pm to
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Didn’t they poll like 1,100 people? Great sample size for the state of Texas




They polled 1100 furloughed solar panel installers who were on break from their BLM/Antifa protests.
Posted by vodkacop
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2008
7852 posts
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:45 pm to
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Didn’t they poll like 1,100 people?


In Austin
Posted by Lutcher Lad
South of the Mason-Dixon Line
Member since Sep 2009
5733 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 5:06 am to
The silent majority remains silent...like a panther in the night slowly moving, stealth-like if you will, forward to his targeted prey. And then he pounces on the poor, unsuspecting victim with a vicious series of slashing and gashing. Donald Trump is our panther and Joe Biden is the prey.
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