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re: Being pro-choice in 2019 is the equivalent to being pro-slavery in 1860
Posted on 5/12/19 at 5:24 pm to xiv
Posted on 5/12/19 at 5:24 pm to xiv
There is no guessing. It is a fact. You are grasping at a spurious argument. There was no attempt to confer citizenship in either the Emancipation Proclamation nor the 13th Amendment. They were the first efforts in a long process to recognize the innate humanity of all men. Something that the Democrats do to this today by referring to an unborn child as a fetus.
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Posted on 5/12/19 at 5:27 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:Tell me about the next one ;)
There was no attempt to confer citizenship in either the Emancipation Proclamation nor the 13th Amendment.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 5:35 pm to xiv
Keep scuttling along. You cannot pass a 14th Amendment until the institution of slavery is absolutely and utterly destroyed. And that required a hard, bitter fight with tremendous bloodshed. And you had to awaken the conscious of the Nation to the innate humanity of all men in order to accomplish this difficult task. Because too many saw the slave as a lesser being or not a human at all.
Seems familiar.
Seems familiar.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 5:37 pm to Wolfhound45
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Keep scuttling along.
I'm not moving. Y'all are the ones trying desperately to compare something to something completely different. The comparison doesn't work, and our laws and Constitution obviously reflect that. Didn't read the rest.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 5:38 pm to Wolfhound45
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Because too many saw the slave as a lesser being or not a human at all.
Hence Dred Scott v. Sandford in 1857. The Supreme Court ruled that slaves weren't people. They were property.
It took four years of bloodshed, the Emancipation Proclamation, and three Constitutional amendments to finally recognize black Americans as living, breathing human beings.
This post was edited on 5/12/19 at 5:40 pm
Posted on 5/12/19 at 5:40 pm to xiv
quote:I wouldn’t expect you to have the intellectual curiosity to do so.
Didn't read the rest.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 5:43 pm to xiv
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Y'all are the ones trying desperately to compare something to something completely different.
No. Not different.
Only non-persons can be property and discarded at the whim of its owner.
A slave was a non person in the 19th century, and a fetus is a non person today.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 5:44 pm to xiv
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The comparison doesn't work, and our laws and Constitution obviously reflect that.
See...you keep arguing from the position of hindsight, which makes your argument completely untenable. Our laws and Constitution obviously reflect a difference today, but 150 years ago....they did not. The Constitution did not protect black Americans and Southerners used the words of the Constitution to win legal arguments (such as the Dred Scott decision) in which they contended that slaves were not people, but property.
That obviously changed as we advanced morally as a society into the present day. The issue of abortion is very similar to that of slavery in the antebellum period in that a fetus is considered a non-person. It is a woman's property that can be done with how she pleases until it leaves her body and is given a name.
This post was edited on 5/12/19 at 5:48 pm
Posted on 5/12/19 at 5:45 pm to RollTide1987
quote:He would have felt right at home with Taney, Buchanan and Douglas.
RollTide1987
Posted on 5/12/19 at 5:51 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:Virtue signaling about my not going along with your virtue signaling. *chef's kiss*
I wouldn’t expect you to have the intellectual curiosity to do so.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 5:52 pm to TrueTiger
quote:Nothing you say matters. The only result you can achieve is a virtue signal. Have at it.
No. Not different.
Only non-persons can be property and discarded at the whim of its owner.
A slave was a non person in the 19th century, and a fetus is a non person today.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 5:53 pm to RollTide1987
quote:No, it isn't that. And that's the backbone of this whole silly comparison, too. Ouch.
It is a woman's property
Posted on 5/12/19 at 5:55 pm to xiv
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No, it isn't that.
At last you finally agree.
If only your fellow progressives did, too.
Thanks for joining our side.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 5:56 pm to RollTide1987
Pro-choice people aren't arguing that a fetus is a woman's property.
This post was edited on 5/12/19 at 5:57 pm
Posted on 5/12/19 at 5:57 pm to RollTide1987
Women do realize they have a choice right? Nobody is forcing them to engage in the behaviors that lead to pregnancy
Posted on 5/12/19 at 6:03 pm to RandySavage
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Women do realize they have a choice right? Nobody is forcing them to engage in the behaviors that lead to pregnancy
Was unaware women could get pregnant on their own.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 6:05 pm to xiv
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Pro-choice people aren't arguing that a fetus is a woman's property.
O'ryly?
Posted on 5/12/19 at 6:05 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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I think the comparison is too extreme, but they do have similar talking points
Ever since Gay Marriage, the left has labeled every topic a “civil rights” battle. So I have no problem turning the tables on them with the hyperbole.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 6:06 pm to xiv
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Pro-choice people aren't arguing that a fetus is a woman's property.
But they do. You see...by denying the personhood of an unborn child, and using phrases such as "her body, her choice," you are establishing the existence of property rights. A woman can do with her body what she wants because it's HER body. Therefore, anything on or within her body is HERS and HERS alone. What does that in effect make it? Property.
It's not your heart that beats inside my chest. It's MY heart. Therefore the heart belongs to me. Therefore, my heart is my property. To someone who is pro-choice, and argues "her body, her choice," what is a fetus if not the woman's property?
Posted on 5/12/19 at 6:08 pm to xiv
An inability to form a coherent counter-argument. That is pretty much your issue. Your side views them as non-human. And you act on your beliefs.
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