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Being as Trump is getting impeached for political reasons and not criminal acts...
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:28 pm
Why can't he sue the House of Representatives that he is being deprived of his constitutional rights?
What's to keep a rogue congress from impeaching a president for say breathing or wearing a suit, or walking?
Surely the courts have to be able to hold back such a blatant action.
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The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
What's to keep a rogue congress from impeaching a president for say breathing or wearing a suit, or walking?
Surely the courts have to be able to hold back such a blatant action.
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Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:29 pm to NYNolaguy1
Repubs better impeach the next Dem President, or it will be hell to pay....
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:38 pm to CamdenTiger
Pubs will never do that, they'd take the high road, and get fricked 20 years later by the spawn of the AOC/Omar freakshow. To answer the OP, the constitution is so broad on the house's peach mint powers that any lawsuit would get scorched.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:40 pm to NYNolaguy1
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NYNolaguy1
Go check out Turley's opening statement. It hits on just this point.
Real claer Politics article discussion this topic.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:48 pm to NYNolaguy1
I thought he was getting impeached for making some people feel bad...
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:49 pm to PhDoogan
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To answer the OP, the constitution is so broad on the house's peach mint powers that any lawsuit would get scorched.
Would it though?
You're basically saying that high crimes and misdemeanors are whatever the house says they are.
I cant imagine thats what the framers had in mind, nor would the Supreme Court agree I think.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:53 pm to NYNolaguy1
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:55 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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Watch this (10 minutes). It addresses all this directly.
I tend to agree with him.
My only question is why (or maybe I know why) this isnt getting more press.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:57 pm to NYNolaguy1
Such a damn shitshow.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:04 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
I agree with Turley, but to transform the a wrongful impeachment into a civil remedy, given the broad language in the constitution granted to congress which does not define or limit the House's power, plus the immunity granted to congress, plus NY Times vs. Sullivan, is a fantasy.
And Turley fricking nailed that opening. It was reasonable, calm and relatable.
Thanks for sharing- I had not heard it in full until now.
ETA: I was listening as I was typing, and his closing was strong.
Almost as strong as his "if going to the court is an impeachable offense, then you will be guilty of abuse of power."
And Turley fricking nailed that opening. It was reasonable, calm and relatable.
Thanks for sharing- I had not heard it in full until now.
ETA: I was listening as I was typing, and his closing was strong.
Almost as strong as his "if going to the court is an impeachable offense, then you will be guilty of abuse of power."
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 9:12 pm
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:05 pm to NYNolaguy1
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What's to keep a rogue congress from impeaching a president for say breathing or wearing a suit, or walking?
The fact a super majority has to approve it basically holds it in primarily check. It would be weird to have a single party super majority in the senate and an opposing party President.
Turley’s point is this hyper partisan bull shite from the democrats is a waste of time. If the democrats destroy the standards to play politics congress will be wasting it time endlessly when the house majority and President are of opposing parties.
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 9:07 pm
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:08 pm to NYNolaguy1
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You're basically saying that high crimes and misdemeanors are whatever the house says they are.
He's absolutely correct. The high crimes and misdemeanors clause was basically giving discretion and deference to the House for whatever they felt it should be. There was an element of good stewardship and voting public recourse assumed however. As prescient and wise as the founders were, even they couldn't project the levels Dems/libs would stoop for a cheap political tactic like politically motivated impeachment or they would have probably set up some super majority to impeach in the House as well as the Senate.
Can't blame them as there was no way to know how insatiable the Dem appetite for control is and how depraved and morally bankrupt they are to achieve their goals. Seriously, look at the Dem Presidential candidates and tell me what moral standard they would hold sacrisanct as a line of depravity that could not be crossed aside from what they call xenaphobia, racism, or anti-womens' "rights". They might fight you on any one of those three issues being a line not to be crossed but damn, I think they'd even be ok with pedophilia at this point.
So yes unfortunately we are stuck with this charade for now unless the Dems get spooked as the polls dive and there's not a damn thing that can be done to stop what the Dems are doing until the Senate has their go or the voters' outcty sways the morons in the House Dem ranks.
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 9:12 pm
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:11 pm to PhDoogan
Turley also made it perfectly clear that he didn’t have a problem with the idea of the democrats investigating Trump over the issue and didn’t state Trump is forever innocent.
He basically called them idiots for rushing through the process, making a mockery of the process, and not actually having real proof yet.
He basically called them idiots for rushing through the process, making a mockery of the process, and not actually having real proof yet.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:17 pm to Colonel Flagg
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He basically called them idiots for rushing through the process, making a mockery of the process, and not actually having real proof yet.
Mostly agree, but by saying this was thinnest case in our history, he was calling the dims dipshits.
Okay, nevermind, we agree 100%.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:18 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Being as Trump is getting impeached for political reasons and not criminal acts.
If the rule of law stands as it should all of these people will be prosecuted for a violation of the Hatch Act. I mean, they openly admit they are trying to drum up charges against this guy and try him "in the court of public opinion" just ahead of an election. It's all a circus meant to damage his reelection campaign and it's illegal.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:26 pm to BoarEd
I just can’t believe the Democrats constantly claim they have proof; yet, they have nothing objective that Trump could ever be threatened with in a court of law.
They keep saying they have facts and proof, but it is not there. It is insane to hear their arguments.
The republicans ask them to point it out and it is some subjective opinion. Nothing that an opposing perspective can not destroy.
They keep saying they have facts and proof, but it is not there. It is insane to hear their arguments.
The republicans ask them to point it out and it is some subjective opinion. Nothing that an opposing perspective can not destroy.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:36 pm to Colonel Flagg
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They keep saying they have facts and proof, but it is not there. It is insane to hear their arguments.
Do you think they would have better arguments if Mulvaney, Pompeo, Giuliani, and "count me out of the drug deal" Bolton testified?
Do you think they would have better arguments if they had the phone, email, and text messages of the main players?
Trump turned Giuliani loose to build a fake case against Biden by any means necessary, including sucking up to 2 corrupt Ukrainian Prosecutor Generals, 2 lower level Ukrainian thugs, and one fugitive Ukrainian mobster hiding out in Vienna fighting extradition to the U.S.
Then Trump pulled the security aid from Ukraine and tried to get Zelensky to announce the opening of an investigation of Ukrainian influence into the 2016 election and Biden improperly getting Shokin fired.
In the end Trump didn't demand for investigations to be actually started, but just for Zelensky to announce them, so that would hang over Biden during the whole campaign.
Using one's office for personal political gain is clear abuse of power and a textbook impeachable offence.
Withholding security aid from a would be ally fighting against an aggressive enemy of the U.S. would only add to a case for impeachment.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:40 pm to CamdenTiger
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Repubs better impeach the next Dem President, or it will be hell to pay....
Gotta have the House and Senate. Democrats have one and are working through any angle to get the other two. When they do it will be the return of the thousand year Reich. Republicans will lie in the corner in the fetal position.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:43 pm to texridder
The proof?
Trump beat all those people in 2016. Would he really go through all that trouble for the intent of helping himself against Joe Biden in 2020? Really?
Maybe he would, but that is a stretch to just assume.
The idea that Trump is rooting out general corruption is much more plausible than the Russian Hoax.
Trump beat all those people in 2016. Would he really go through all that trouble for the intent of helping himself against Joe Biden in 2020? Really?
Maybe he would, but that is a stretch to just assume.
The idea that Trump is rooting out general corruption is much more plausible than the Russian Hoax.
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 12/4/19 at 11:05 pm to texridder
Who did you vote for in 2016
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