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re: Atlantic op-ed claims Catholic rosary has become ‘an extremist symbol’
Posted on 8/21/22 at 3:21 pm to Stitches
Posted on 8/21/22 at 3:21 pm to Stitches
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The problem isn't with repetitive prayer, but with vain or mindless prayer. The Rosary helps us bring into the present moment the mysteries of the gospel and allows the Holy Spirit to apply them to our lives. So it's not mindless prayer just to run through the motions to say you did it.
Correct.
The prayers are a metronome. If you aren't meditating on the mysteries, you're doing it wrong.
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Posted on 8/21/22 at 3:24 pm to Champagne
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The second part merely asks Mary to pray for us.
Mary can’t pray for anyone because she’s a sinner like ever human who also needed a savior. Mary called Jesus both her Lord and her savior. Mary understood her own sinful state and her need for redemption. It’s too bad what the RCC has made of a wonderful saint of God.
We have one mediator between God and man, the man Jesus Christ
This post was edited on 8/21/22 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 8/21/22 at 3:44 pm to Stitches
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Isiah 6:1-3 and Revelation 4:8, the Seraphim continuously repeat the same prayer.
Angels aren’t human.
It appears as though the Seraphim were created for the sole purpose of praising God 24-7. This is wholly separate from the function of humans and the two should not be compared or confused.
This post was edited on 8/21/22 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 8/21/22 at 4:02 pm to Stitches
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The Hail Mary uses phrases that are almost entirely from Scripture. "Hail Mary full of Grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women" comes from Luke 1:28 "Blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus" comes from Luke 1:42 The last part is a request for intermediary prayer, which is Biblical.
These are simple salutations given by an Angel. Now show me the part where we are to turn them into a prayer. A repetitious prayer at that.
And yes, we ask people to pray on our behalf, but those prayers are offered in Jesus’ name, not through any saint. And the people we asked to pray for us are still living.
This post was edited on 8/21/22 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 8/21/22 at 4:28 pm to Revelator
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Jesus himself called out false teachings on numerous occasions. Are you saying erroneous and unscriptural practices should be left unchallenged simply for the sake of unity
Are you say that the largest Christian denomination in the world is fake?
Posted on 8/21/22 at 4:32 pm to Revelator
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Mary can’t pray for anyone because she’s a sinner like ever human who also needed a savior.
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And the people we asked to pray for us are still living.
But they can’t pray for us because they’re sinners, right?
Posted on 8/21/22 at 4:37 pm to Revelator
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And the people we asked to pray for us are still living.
Didn't God say he's the God of the living, not the dead?
Posted on 8/21/22 at 4:48 pm to evil cockroach
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Are you say that the largest Christian denomination in the world is fake?
I’m saying their teaching about praying the rosary and elevating Mary to a co-redeemer and co-mediatrix status is false doctrine
Posted on 8/21/22 at 4:52 pm to GreenRockTiger
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But they can’t pray for us because they’re sinners, right?
They aren’t praying for us in their own name , but interceding by going
to Jesus in our behalf.
The Bible says there is one mediator between God and man, the man Jesus Christ. It’s very plain and one doesn’t need a theology degree to understand it’s meaning.
Too often the RCC puts itself in the role of the Pharisees where they try to add manmade laws to usurp Gods word.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 4:54 pm to Stitches
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Didn't God say he's the God of the living, not the dead?
Are you comparing all knowing, omnipotent and omniscient God to Mary and the saints?
What does God being the God of the living and dead have to do with praying to the dead?
This post was edited on 8/21/22 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 8/21/22 at 5:24 pm to Revelator
quote:that’s what Catholics ask Mary to do - the devotion to her (which not everyone has) is like looking up to a hero or a favorite person - Catholics do not believe she is God or a co-redeemer - if that’s how you take it, that’s a misinterpretation on your part
They aren’t praying for us in their own name , but interceding by going to Jesus in our behalf.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 5:31 pm to llfshoals
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Watch, it will get some traction and the Catholic Church will roll over and take it.
The only religions rolling over are Protestant with their drag queen shows in the church, women priest, allowing gays to get married in their churches
Posted on 8/21/22 at 5:31 pm to Revelator
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What does God being the God of the living and dead have to do with praying to the dead?
He's the God of the living, NOT of the dead. Which means we must be alive in the next life (albeit spiritually), which means you're not praying to the dead when you ask those in Heaven to pray on our behalf.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 5:40 pm to GreenRockTiger
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that’s what Catholics ask Mary to do - the devotion to her (which not everyone has) is like looking up to a hero or a favorite person - Catholics do not believe she is God or a co-redeemer - if that’s how you take it, that’s a misinterpretation on your part
First off, Jesus said,” I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but by me.
All other ways are a waste of time.
If you don’t believe Catholics teach about Mary being a co-redeemer and co-mediatrix, you’ve never read your catechism
Posted on 8/21/22 at 5:41 pm to L.A.
Always pulls the southern baptists out to bash catholics....
Posted on 8/21/22 at 6:02 pm to Revelator
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Mary can’t pray for anyone
Have you not read your Bible where it says that the prayers of the saints are presented to the Lord God? That's in Revelation, the very same book that Martin Luther suggested should not be in the Bible.
Are you a Baptist? Here's an article by an ex-Baptist explaining how Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant. You will find this article enlightening.
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Christ the King of the continuation of the earthly Davidic Kingdom. Christ the King. Mary is the Queen Mother, because she is Christ's mother. Have you not read Scripture? Solomon, a Davidic King, places his mother at his side as the Queen Mother.
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Have you not read Scripture, when Christ on the Cross tells John - "Behold your mother." Then He tells Mary, "Behold your son." Christ here is speaking to John as the representative of the entire Church. Christ intends His Church to regard Mary as our mother. "Behold your mother."
You have read Scripture where God Almighty tells us "This is my Beloved Son. Listen to Him." And so I say to you also - Listen to Him.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 6:14 pm to Revelator
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If you don’t believe Catholics teach about Mary being a co-redeemer and co-mediatrix, you’ve never read your catechism
Quote for me the exact citation in the Catechism where Mary is cited to be both "co-redeemer" and "co-mediatrix".
Thank you.
UPDATE: I just checked. Neither of those terms are in the Roman Catholic Catechism. Perhaps it is YOU who needs to read up on the matter.
Link to a searchable Catechism.
LINK
The Catechism and Catholic Answers, sir! Anybody who wants to know more and wants to have all of these issues explained - you can read it all there and learn.
This post was edited on 8/21/22 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 8/21/22 at 6:28 pm to Stitches
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He's the God of the living, NOT of the dead. Which means we must be alive in the next life (albeit spiritually), which means you're not praying to the dead when you ask those in Heaven to pray on our behalf.
If Revelator knew his Bible, he would know that Jesus Christ Himself used this exact same argument when He was arguing with some Sadducees!
Posted on 8/21/22 at 6:35 pm to schexyoung
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And the Church will survive as it has all other trials.
The Jewish church survived killing Jesus.
The Catholic Church is doing the same.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 7:38 pm to Champagne
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If Revelator knew his Bible,
That’s hilarious coming from an organization that uses many resources outside of the Bible to form its doctrine
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