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re: Atlantic op-ed claims Catholic rosary has become ‘an extremist symbol’
Posted on 8/22/22 at 7:12 pm to Frank Black
Posted on 8/22/22 at 7:12 pm to Frank Black
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How can you be so smug? Would you smugly say, "A Christian saying a rabbi is wrong? Say it ain't so." Of course you wouldn't.
Did you even take the time to read it? Are you that afraid of reading something that might challenge your theology?
How about reading it, then telling me where he's wrong?
I know you are talking to that other guy but I have to share a experience I have had a neighbor who converted to Jew about 20 years ago. I am talking to him one day and he tells me he can prove to me in the Bible that Jesus was a profit and not the savior. I told him, look as respectful as I can say it. You might prove it to yourself but you can never prove it to me. This same guy when my Brother passed away last year comes over to give his condolences and proceeds to tell me. Yeah I just want to let you know I won't be able to come to the wake or funeral. I say that is cool I know I your busy, he says oh its not that. He tells me they are not allowed to be around anything where JC is mentioned or discussed. I said do what you saying you can't even say the words Jesus Christ? and he says yeah we can't be around that. I just laughed at him. This just told me that his faith is so weak that he can't have respect for others that may think different.
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Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:11 pm to Telos
quote:Leviticus 6 in the Christian Bible, Leviticus 5 in the Tanakh. It's a beautiful passage. The offending man acknowledges his wrong against his neighbor, he makes restitution in full, and offers a guilt offering to the Lord. The priest completes the process by sacrificing the animal. The offender has sinned against the Lord both by deceiving his neighbor and by swearing a false oath. So the man restores what he has stolen and he brings an additional animal to the priest as a penalty. The act of forgiveness is completed after the offending man pays this double price. One can imagine that this would be a sturdy hedge against similar future crimes.
How would you interpret this:
quote:Josephus is hard to wade through. Maimonides if the GOAT Jewish thinker. There are lots of excellent videos from Jewish rabbis online. My favorite is Rabbi Yitzchak Breitowitz
I presume you are Jewish or at least interested enough in Judaism to study Jewish apologetics. I have not yet done any research into what Jewish thinkers I will read except for Josephus and Maimonides. Do you have any recommendations?
Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:57 pm to Frank Black
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Josephus is hard to wade through. Maimonides if the GOAT Jewish thinker. There are lots of excellent videos from Jewish rabbis online. My favorite is Rabbi Yitzchak Breitowitz
I will have to check him out. Much appreciated.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 1:32 pm to beulahland
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This post was edited on 8/23/22 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 8/23/22 at 2:51 pm to UGATiger26
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UGATiger26
That’s one of the most cogent and prescient posts offered on this board.
Particularly this.
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Sometimes I wonder if many of us, myself included, lack the courage to go forth and do Christ's real mission and would rather restrict the practice of our evangelism to inter-denominational dick measuring contests.
Let us pray for each other, brothers and sisters; for that is probably the only work towards inter-denominational reconciliation which will ever do any good. Then let us turn our eyes and hearts outwards into the darkness which is pressing in our upon our churches from every direction.
I agree wholeheartedly and join with you in these prayers in the time I have remaining.
Thanks for posting this.
signed,
-an Anglican grey hair
Posted on 8/23/22 at 9:36 pm to Frank Black
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There was no sacrifice in the OT for sin committed knowingly. There was no need. The person simply needed to repent and ask for forgiveness .
Did Adam sin knowingly?
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And the LORD God made for Adam and for his wife garments of skins and clothed them.
That God’s people, in obedience to him, practiced a complex blood sacrifice to turn away a holy God’s righteous wrath, in a word a propitiatory sacrifice, is not in question. God commanded it, explained it in detail, and Israel obeyed and practiced it.
The problem, for Jews, is there’s no longer a means available under the old covenant for making atonement for sin(s) or to propitiate the Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth.
The only means available to Jews (or any of us for that matter) is to avail themselves (ourselves) of the shed blood of Jesus Christ, God’s son, the Lamb of God, their Lord, Savior, and Messiah. Period.
Some ultra-orthodox Jews may try to replicate the old covenant sacrificial system in their basements somewhere, but it’s to no avail.
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For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered every year, make perfect those who draw near. Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, since the worshippers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have any consciousness of sins?
But in these sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
Consequently, when Christ came into the world, he said, “Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired, but a body have you prepared for me; in burnt offerings and sin offerings you have taken no pleasure. Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come to do your will, O God, as it is written of me in the scroll of the book.’”
When he said above, “You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings” (these are offered according to the law), then he added, “Behold, I have come to do your will.” He does away with the first in order to establish the second.
And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet.
For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.
Hebrews 10:1-14
This post was edited on 8/24/22 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 8/25/22 at 8:56 am to Mr. Misanthrope
Posted on 8/25/22 at 11:29 am to Zephyrius
quote:It's interesting that the priest he's talking to mentions the gospel drawing him in.
Rut Roh!!
Rosary about to take down a hollywood millennial icon.
Shia Labeouf
Posted on 8/25/22 at 11:52 am to FooManChoo
The gospel not in a preachy way but hanging out with people who are living the gospel. And being introduced to prayer which was foreign to him.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 12:53 pm to Zephyrius
quote:Yeah, I get that, but the gospel isn't an action that we can perform, but a message of what Jesus has done for sinners; it's an indicative rather than an imperative. People aren't saved by seeing the good works of others, but by the Spirit's work through the gospel proclamation.
The gospel not in a preachy way but hanging out with people who are living the gospel. And being introduced to prayer which was foreign to him.
That isn't to discount the good works done by people who seek to obey the Lord, but rather I'm making a distinction between the law and the gospel, since a lot of people actually think "preach the gospel at all times; use words when necessary" is a truism rather than a confusion of what the gospel actually is.
My first response was actually just an uncharitable poke at Catholicism, seeing as Rome perverts the gospel by adding to it.
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