re: Atlantic op-ed claims Catholic rosary has become ‘an extremist symbol’

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John 10:1-18
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“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber. 2 But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. 5 A stranger they will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.” 6 This figure of speech Jesus used with them, but they did not understand what he was saying to them.

7 So Jesus again said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All who came before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. 9 I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture. 10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. 11 I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. 12 He who is a hired hand and not a shepherd, who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them. 13 He flees because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep. 14 I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me, 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd. 17 For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.”


John 10:22-30
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At that time the Feast of Dedication took place at Jerusalem. It was winter, 23 and Jesus was walking in the temple, in the colonnade of Solomon. 24 So the Jews gathered around him and said to him, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly.” 25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”



Those who feed and clothe Christ are those who are Christ's sheep and hear His voice and follow Him. Their faith is proved by their works, as Paul and James describe in their letters.

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Do you not see the mental gymnastics you are going through to make Jesus say what you want him to say?

Also, once again, I've already written about how John is a re-interpretation of the life and message of Jesus.

Try refuting Matthew 25:31-46 without resorting to John's gospel

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Do you not see the mental gymnastics you are going through to make Jesus say what you want him to say?

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I do not. I interpret scripture by scripture, as it is all "God-breathed". Matthew's gospel is no more authoritative than John's gospel because both are God's word.

There are no mental gymnastics needed on my side, because my side can make sense of all of those passages that talk about faith and works, while yours can't. You have to ignore the passages about faith alone because there is no way to make sense of those in a paradigm that requires our good works to merit righteousness.

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Also, once again, I've already written about how John is a re-interpretation of the life and message of Jesus.

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Yes. You deny that John's gospel is God's word and I pray that you repent.

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Try refuting Matthew 25:31-46 without resorting to John's gospel

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I've already done this. "Those who feed and clothe Christ are those who are Christ's sheep and hear His voice and follow Him. Their faith is proved by their works, as Paul and James describe in their letters."

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When Jesus died on the cross, the Veil in the Holy of Holies in the temple was torn from top to bottom signifying we no longer needed priests or sacrifices to approach God, but now we had access though the blood of Jesus.

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The veil (hung between the temple's two holiest chambers) was a sign that God's infinite holiness could not be approached by sinners (cf. Heb 9:8). With Jesus' saving death, forgiveness is secured for man, and access to heaven is reopened (Eph 2:18; Heb 10:19-22). This is announced by God himself. Additionally it pronounced the termination of the Old Covenant.

That's pulled from the footnotes of the St.Ignatius Catholic study bible

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Do you not see the mental gymnastics you are going through to make Jesus say what you want him to say?
I do not. I interpret scripture by scripture, as it is all "God-breathed". Matthew's gospel is no more authoritative than John's gospel because both are God's word.

There are no mental gymnastics needed on my side, because my side can make sense of all of those passages that talk about faith and works, while yours can't. You have to ignore the passages about faith alone because there is no way to make sense of those in a paradigm that requires our good works to merit righteousness.

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Also, once again, I've already written about how John is a re-interpretation of the life and message of Jesus.
Yes. You deny that John's gospel is God's word and I pray that you repent.

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Try refuting Matthew 25:31-46 without resorting to John's gospel
I've already done this. "Those who feed and clothe Christ are those who are Christ's sheep and hear His voice and follow Him. Their faith is proved by their works, as Paul and James describe in their letters."

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you're being dishonest.

Didn't you say you were going to stop responding to me? When is that going to take effect, because I really don't want to keep having to read your responses either.

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There was no sacrifice in the OT for sin committed knowingly. There was no need. The person simply needed to repent and ask for forgiveness

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This is simply false




Leviticus 4:13
And if the whole congregation of Israel sin through ignorance, and the thing be hid from the eyes of the assembly, and they have done somewhat against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which should not be done, and are guilty;
14 When the sin, which they have sinned against it, is known, then the congregation shall offer a young bullock for the sin, and bring him before the tabernacle of the congregation



Leviticus 4:23 and if his sin, wherein he hath sinned, come to his knowledge; he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a male without blemish:
24 And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the goat, and kill it in the place where they kill the burnt offering before the LORD: it is a sin offering.

That'll be news to the vatos.

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Leviticus 4:23 and if his sin, wherein he hath sinned, come to his knowledge; he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a male without blemish:
24 And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the goat, and kill it in the place where they kill the burnt offering before the LORD: it is a sin offering.

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Yes, as the verse itself says. It is an OFFERING. It does not expiate the sin. It is an offering to Gid, which is what i said earlier.

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“If any one of the house of Israel or of the strangers who sojourn among them eats any blood, I will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from among his people. For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life." -Leviticus 17:10-11

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let a jewish rabbi explain levitucus 17:11 to you

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let a jewish rabbi explain levitucus 17:11 to you

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Thanks, but the author of Hebrews explained that the shedding of blood was required for forgiveness by God, so I'll go with that interpretation.

A good rule of thumb for you: when the NT writers interpret the OT, take the NT's interpretation.