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re: As someone who voted for Trump, do you find most people ignorant?
Posted on 2/26/17 at 2:39 am to Deuces
Posted on 2/26/17 at 2:39 am to Deuces
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Link?
Really? i just linked the issues that Alabama faced.
read the study in the link
Time article discussing the economic impact of harsh immigration laws in many states
Posted on 2/26/17 at 2:52 am to TigerinKorea
Did you really update your post just to add an insult. Wow...
Posted on 2/26/17 at 2:59 am to Tiger Tracker
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Did you really update your post just to add an insult. Wow...
Sure, why not?!
Posted on 2/26/17 at 3:10 am to Tiger Tracker
LINK
Since again, you linked another article from 2016, I will update it for you.
Arizona has the 16th ranked economy in the U.S., moving up from 32 in just two years from 2014-2016. The economy doubled since cracking down on illegal immigration.
Alabama, again, went from last in the SE to surpassing 4 states from rank 47-44 from 2012-2016, after cracking down on illegal immigration. While still low, the state actually is in the range of most of the states surrounding.
LINK
Don't buy in to the liberal media's narrative, because the majority of the time, it isn't the right one.
Since again, you linked another article from 2016, I will update it for you.
Arizona has the 16th ranked economy in the U.S., moving up from 32 in just two years from 2014-2016. The economy doubled since cracking down on illegal immigration.
Alabama, again, went from last in the SE to surpassing 4 states from rank 47-44 from 2012-2016, after cracking down on illegal immigration. While still low, the state actually is in the range of most of the states surrounding.
LINK
Don't buy in to the liberal media's narrative, because the majority of the time, it isn't the right one.
This post was edited on 2/26/17 at 3:16 am
Posted on 2/26/17 at 3:16 am to Deuces
Again, did you not read the part where, once those laws did not hold up in court and didn't materialize, the immigrants moved back?
I already linked that for you too. It was the fox news article. So thank you for further proving my point.
Undocument workers leave and the economy contracts and the vacated jobs were not taken by Americans in the vast majority of these cases. Then, the laws don't materialize as they expected. Immigrants move back; they take those jobs again, and economy recovers.
I already linked that for you too. It was the fox news article. So thank you for further proving my point.
Undocument workers leave and the economy contracts and the vacated jobs were not taken by Americans in the vast majority of these cases. Then, the laws don't materialize as they expected. Immigrants move back; they take those jobs again, and economy recovers.
Posted on 2/26/17 at 3:30 am to Tiger Tracker
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Again, did you not read the part where, once those laws did not hold up in court and didn't materialize, the immigrants moved back? I already linked that for you too. It was the fox news article. So thank you for further proving my point.
You gave me yet another article from 2012, stating that illegals moved back to Alabama. We cannot see if their economy was to improve or decline after passing the immigration law, due to its short life caused mostly by pressure from the Obama administration. The appeal went to the Eleventh circuit court, where the judges presiding are 5-7 democrat appointed.(4 being appointed by Obama and Clinton).
The Arizona SB-1070 law still stands, only it was neutered partially. It says nothing about illegals moving back, but police aren't required to profile them, which was what outraged most people. They only profile at their own discretion. The economy has still doubled and the law still stands.
This post was edited on 2/26/17 at 3:46 am
Posted on 2/26/17 at 3:59 am to Deuces
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You gave me yet another article from 2012, stating that illegals moved back to Alabama. We cannot see if their economy was to improve or decline after passing the immigration law, due to its short life caused mostly by pressure from the Obama administration.
Good lord. The article was from 2012 because that's when they moved back. Did you want them to wait to report that in 2016? You're the one citing how their economy is improving.
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The Arizona SB-1070 law still stands, only it was neutered partially. It says nothing about illegals moving back, but police aren't required to profile them, which was what outraged most people. They only profile at their own discretion. The economy has still doubled and the law still stands.
6 year study on Arizona
illegal immigrants returning to arizona
Posted on 2/26/17 at 4:44 am to Tiger Tracker
From 2010-2012, the period before the Arizona SB-1070 act was neutered, Arizona's GDP actually increased more and more each of those years.
LINK
Your article states the illegal population shrank to a record low for the past 12 years in 2012. That means the economy actually improved when the immigration law was intact and the illegal population was at its lowest. From 2009-2012, the annual GDP had actually increased by 10 billion.
When illegal immigration began to increase from 2012-2015, the annual average growth of the GDP stayed the same or lowered.
The same thing happened in Alabama. The HB-56 immigration law came into effect in 2011, only to be invalidated by the Eleventh circuit court in 2012. The annual GDP rose one billion, which has basically been a trend all the way until 2014.
LINK
When illegal immigration was at it's lowest in these states, the economy still improved and did not miss a beat.
LINK
Your article states the illegal population shrank to a record low for the past 12 years in 2012. That means the economy actually improved when the immigration law was intact and the illegal population was at its lowest. From 2009-2012, the annual GDP had actually increased by 10 billion.
When illegal immigration began to increase from 2012-2015, the annual average growth of the GDP stayed the same or lowered.
The same thing happened in Alabama. The HB-56 immigration law came into effect in 2011, only to be invalidated by the Eleventh circuit court in 2012. The annual GDP rose one billion, which has basically been a trend all the way until 2014.
LINK
When illegal immigration was at it's lowest in these states, the economy still improved and did not miss a beat.
This post was edited on 2/26/17 at 5:29 am
Posted on 2/26/17 at 5:53 am to tduecen
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I don't think they realize those from Mexico are taking the jobs they think they're too good for...
You'll find people that take these jobs, however the American work ethic in the bottom 30% is very poor and they will not be able to keep those jobs. At least the Mexicans and other illegals show up for work.
Posted on 2/26/17 at 5:59 am to tduecen
Why do people think that legal Mexican workers can't do the jobs that illegal Mexican workers are doing???
Posted on 2/26/17 at 6:00 am to Deuces
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From 2010-2012, the period before the Arizona SB-1070 act was neutered, Arizona's GDP actually increased more and more each of those years.
This doesn't mean anything though. The gdp increase means just that. It doesn't mean that increased at a higher rate than normal. Actually gdp was at its highest BEFORE the law was passed and still hasnt reached those numbers again.
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Trends in Arizona Real GDP
Over the 5 years ending in 2015 the Arizona economy grew in real terms by 6.71% at a compound annual growth rate of 1.31% per year. Arizona GDP was at its highest in 2007 when it reached $272.605 bn. It is now $11.423 bn (4.19%) lower.
That's from your link. Additionally you're saying it grew with no basis of comparison. It didn't grow any more than in previous years according to your link.
You could look at 2007 and say it had the highest gdp and the highest immigrants so the reverse must be opposite.
The general trend in growth compared to other states that don't have these laws was less. I already showed you that in another link. So was there growth? Yes, but it was hindered due to the laws. That is what is meant when people say the economy was negatively impacted.
There are many studies that show this from both conservative, libertarian, and democratic view points. Believe it don't. I truly don't care anymore.
Posted on 2/26/17 at 6:12 am to tduecen
Yeah. Anybody who could buy the MSM attacks on the president such as the Russians hacked the elections is as dumb as a rock and ignorant in a way this is a disgrace for citizens.
Posted on 2/26/17 at 6:17 am to Tiger Tracker
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you need not look further than Alabama if you want to see some of the economic impacts of too harsh immigration laws.
They aren't too harsh
Posted on 2/26/17 at 6:29 am to Tiger Tracker
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Actually gdp was at its highest BEFORE the law was passed and still hasnt reached those numbers again.
Negative. At one time it was indeed higher, but before the law passed in 2009, the GDP had decreased 8 billion dollars, hitting an 11 year low. The decrease in GDP was not due to the immigration law whatsoever. The GDP increased 10 billion after the immigration law.
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the general trend in growth compared to other states that don't have these laws was less. I already showed you that in another link. So was there growth? Yes, but it was hindered due to the laws. That is what is meant when people say the economy was negatively impacted.
As I stated before, the GDP from 2007-2009, before the immigration law, had decreased a total of 29 billion. The immigration law had nothing to do with that, because it came a year later. From 2010-2012, it increased 10 billion and has steadily increased the same amount annually post SB-1070, even lessening at times with illegal immigration increasing.
How was the growth hindered by the immigration law compared to other states when the economy had majorly declined from 3 years previous? The economic growth is not hindered when it grows 10 billion after having the worst recession since before the 90's.
This post was edited on 2/26/17 at 6:34 am
Posted on 2/26/17 at 8:08 am to WhiskeyPapa
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Yeah. Anybody who could buy the MSM attacks on the president such as the Russians hacked the elections is as dumb as a rock and ignorant in a way that is a disgrace for citizens.
And that is why this nation and the world is probably doomed! To many stupid people.
Posted on 2/26/17 at 9:32 am to TigersSEC2010
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80% of this country is fricking retarded. That goes for for sides of the aisle.
Posted on 2/26/17 at 9:46 am to ManBearTiger
Keep believing this you fool. The more you say it, doesn't give it validity.
Those low level jobs will NOT be filled with hard-working Americans looking to better their lives.
Damn, some of you are not stupid but insane.
Those low level jobs will NOT be filled with hard-working Americans looking to better their lives.
Damn, some of you are not stupid but insane.
Posted on 2/26/17 at 9:49 am to tduecen
The issue to be decided is whether or not our Credit last long enough to get us to a form of high-tech economy wherein basic goods and services become "ubiquitous" to a degree that we can guarantee basic income to all the unemployed (for various reasons, both moral and immoral) people who would otherwise go rogue.
A lot of folk are worse than "ignorant"; whether masses can be cured of what amounts to clinical psychoses and economic dysfunction, remains to be seen.
I suspect that collapse, anarchy and a thinning of the weak in the herd will be the ultimate 'solution', if the credit don't hold. Always has been that when people/society becomes deluded (like the utopian State of Sweden taking on psychos by the hundreds of thousands and thinking themselves wise and virtuous) Mother Nature steps in to right the ship. Unqualified reproduction is not a virtue; nor unqualified subsidization which amounts to the same. We'll likely learn this the hard way.
A lot of folk are worse than "ignorant"; whether masses can be cured of what amounts to clinical psychoses and economic dysfunction, remains to be seen.
I suspect that collapse, anarchy and a thinning of the weak in the herd will be the ultimate 'solution', if the credit don't hold. Always has been that when people/society becomes deluded (like the utopian State of Sweden taking on psychos by the hundreds of thousands and thinking themselves wise and virtuous) Mother Nature steps in to right the ship. Unqualified reproduction is not a virtue; nor unqualified subsidization which amounts to the same. We'll likely learn this the hard way.
Posted on 2/26/17 at 10:05 am to tduecen
Really, how insightful you are and how much bull shite. Even the Mexicans understand that this is not about jobs, but about demographics, fundamental changing of the US population, Globalism, voting blocks, Vote for me and I'll set up free, and eternal power for the cucks and democrats. Oh well it was a good try because all that shite is going to be turned back around. Just sit back and enjoy!!!!
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