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As a newly minted Israel Twitter expert, how can anyone side with the Palestinians?
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:03 am
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:03 am
Now that I have my PHD (Podcast History Degree) on the Israel/Palestine conflict (previous degrees are Russian/Ukraine history and Deep Water Vessel construction), it is clear that the Palestinians have never wanted to solve this issue, other than the total destruction of the Jewish population living in Israel.
Israel has agreed multiple times over the last 75 years to various two-state solutions. The Palestinians have refused each time. Unfortunately for both sides, and the world population, it is probably too late for that to ever happen.
Both the Jewish and Muslim populations have grown more militant and "right wing" over the decades. The religious Jews, which are the minority, are greatly increasing in population due to high birthrates. They may be the majority in 30 years.
Also, the Palestinians have become more violent and vicious, as have their Muslim supporters. Even if Israel was motivated to accept another two-state solution, they would never feel safe having a legitimized Muslim country, likely ruled by Hamas and supported by Iran, on its border.
The only solution, in my suddenly expert opinion, is to give the occupied territories to a country like Jordan, which has been a civil ally of Israel for 30 years.
Israel has agreed multiple times over the last 75 years to various two-state solutions. The Palestinians have refused each time. Unfortunately for both sides, and the world population, it is probably too late for that to ever happen.
Both the Jewish and Muslim populations have grown more militant and "right wing" over the decades. The religious Jews, which are the minority, are greatly increasing in population due to high birthrates. They may be the majority in 30 years.
Also, the Palestinians have become more violent and vicious, as have their Muslim supporters. Even if Israel was motivated to accept another two-state solution, they would never feel safe having a legitimized Muslim country, likely ruled by Hamas and supported by Iran, on its border.
The only solution, in my suddenly expert opinion, is to give the occupied territories to a country like Jordan, which has been a civil ally of Israel for 30 years.
This post was edited on 10/11/23 at 9:05 am
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Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:15 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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is to give the occupied territories to a country like Jordan
And you think this will stop the radicals from continuing to cause chaos?
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:19 am to Bjorn Cyborg
There may have been a chance in the 90s under Rabin, but Israel’s unwillingness to share Jerusalem would have doomed things.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:20 am to deathvalleytiger10
No. I'm not optimistic about this solution, but it's the only moonshot I can think of. Perhaps a strong, legitimate, Muslim country could control it.
Jordan took over the territories, I think in 1968, and were defeated and pushed back by Israel. Some observers think that Israel should have just let them keep it, and it could have potentially been a solution.
Who knows?
Jordan took over the territories, I think in 1968, and were defeated and pushed back by Israel. Some observers think that Israel should have just let them keep it, and it could have potentially been a solution.
Who knows?
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:21 am to Bjorn Cyborg
As I posted yesterday, it all stems back to how you view colonialization
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:22 am to SlowFlowPro
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it all stems back to how you view colonialization
Necessary for some ethnicities.
This post was edited on 10/11/23 at 9:23 am
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:22 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Where would one obtain information that is contrary to what you've just presented?
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:23 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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The only solution, in my suddenly expert opinion, is to give the occupied territories to a country like Jordan
How about a total reset. Britain fricked this up, so let's move Israel to Wales. Build the temple in Swansea.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:24 am to SlowFlowPro
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As I posted yesterday, it all stems back to how you view colonialization
Or even how you define it. Do the victors of wars get to decide the fate of a country, territory or even just a plot of land? I tend to think they have the right. That doesn't mean it's always the right decision to do so.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:25 am to Azkiger
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Where would one obtain information that is contrary to what you've just presented?
Get your own Twitter degree. I spent tens of minutes getting mine.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:27 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Or even how you define it
Absolutely. War with someone and lose territory? Its your fault.
Does anyone actually believe that Palestine can self govern without falling prey to some strongman or group?
They cannot.
The Soros solution (Open society) is to spread these people throughout the world and separate them from their trauma at home. So, move them or govern them, because they cannot govern themselves.
This post was edited on 10/11/23 at 9:28 am
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:27 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Do the victors of wars get to decide the fate of a country, territory or even just a plot of land? I tend to think they have the right. That doesn't mean it's always the right decision to do so.
Israel is linked to colonialization (which is a major Leftist viewpoint/talking point) in 2 ways:
1. "Israel" today is nothing more than a literal vestige of Western colonialism. It was carved up in the post-WW2 European guilt era as a response to the Holocaust, and inserted a bunch of Westerners into the Middle East, which necessitated moving a lot of Arab-Palestinians by force.
2. Israel today is seen as a colonizer of the area, with the Palestinians viewed as the marginalized subjects.
So, if your world view is skewed/formed by the lens of colonialization, Israel is both currently and historically colonial and, thus, automatically the bad guy.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:27 am to RogerTheShrubber
Not colonization. Rather, diplomatic hubris. Brits, French, and the League of Nations believing their view on the region was superior.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:28 am to tom
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Britain fricked this up
Britain said, "frick it, we are out of this shite hole" and handed it over to the U.N., which implemented a two-state solution that the Jews agreed to, but the Palestinians did not and they have been fighting about it ever since.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:28 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Does anyone actually believe that Palestine can self govern without falling prey to some strongman or group?
They cannot.
Today? For sure not. The brain drain in the 70s and 80s took away all their best and brightest. They've been intermarrying with lower stock in an area non-conducive to intellectual development. There's a reason why the collective IQ in Gaza is so low.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:28 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Get your own Twitter degree. I spent tens of minutes getting mine.
So twitter as well...
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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1. "Israel" today is nothing more than a literal vestige of Western colonialism
For almost 80 years. The world looked MUCH different 80 years ago.
Its time for leftists to join the modern age.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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. It was carved up in the post-WW2 European guilt era as a response to the Holocaust
It started way before WW2, but had some urgency after the war due to the Holocaust guilt, as you say.
But the question remains, do the victors of wars have the right to do as they wish? I personally think so. Few countries on Earth have not been lost or won in wars, changed hands, etc.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:33 am to RogerTheShrubber
Colonization is the new leftist term that's supposed to invoke moral outrage.
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:34 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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It started way before WW2, but had some urgency after the war due to the Holocaust guilt, as you say.
It was guilt related to colonialization. Europe gave up most of its colonies after WW2.
The Holocaust was a different variable.
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do the victors of wars have the right to do as they wish?
I think so, but I'm not a leftist.
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