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re: As a mostly conservative person why should I be against any and all abortion?
Posted on 5/20/19 at 8:37 am to TBoy
Posted on 5/20/19 at 8:37 am to TBoy
quote:some people might see it that way but, pro life advocates see it as a matter of sanctity of life and everything it entails
Abortion has been used as a political campaign issue to manipulate gullible voters for many years
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Posted on 5/20/19 at 8:38 am to Boatshoes
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You realize that if you leave the ten commandments out of it, you cannot justify a blanket ban against murder, right?
You do realize only 3 of the 10 Commandments are actual laws, right? Not to mention those 3 are the most generic, cookie-cutter laws nearly every civilization has been based on.
This post was edited on 5/20/19 at 8:39 am
Posted on 5/20/19 at 8:40 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
quote:you're murdering a person for the sake of convenience. removing pain from the equation doesn't change that
As long as the fetus doesn’t feel on what’s wrong with it?
Posted on 5/20/19 at 8:44 am to olemissfan26
quote:the baby is "human" at conception. there is no personhood gap between parents and offspring.
as a pro life person you can’t come up with a magical 8 week, 6 week, etc date when the baby officially becomes human.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 8:51 am to HubbaBubba
quote:i have read that pro choice advocates counter this idea by saying that pro life advocates might be enabling the next hitler, et al. therefore, it is not valid to say that preventing the next beethoven is a reason to oppose abortion. this response fails from modal logic standpoint because think of all the people in the world who rose up to fight the influence of that one person and have continued to fight against those forces ever since. iow, in all possible worlds, it's possible that having a hitler produces the greatest amount of good for the greatest amount of people. there is no guarantee that a possible world without hitler would produce more "good" than one with.
Some of the most successful, influential and significant persons in the world come from a background of poverty
Posted on 5/20/19 at 8:55 am to Esquire
quote:? which ones aren't "laws"?
You do realize only 3 of the 10 Commandments are actual laws, right
quote:such as?
those 3 are the most generic, cookie-cutter laws nearly every civilization has been based on.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:42 am to bfniii
quote:
? which ones aren't "laws"?
You seriously need that spelled out?
Just in case you really are that special, none of these are actual laws:
You shall have no other Gods but me.
You shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it.
You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.
You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy.
Respect your father and mother.
You must not commit adultery.
You must not be envious of your neighbour's goods. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, nor anything that belongs to your neighbor.
The only ones that are laws are below:
You must not commit murder.
You must not steal.
You must not give false evidence against your neighbor.
I hate to break it to you, but Moses doesn't get to claim these from the Sumerians.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:46 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
1. It's a human being.
2. What gives anyone the right to decide who lives or dies?
3. Is one life more important than another?
4. How about teaching responsibility and consequences?
2. What gives anyone the right to decide who lives or dies?
3. Is one life more important than another?
4. How about teaching responsibility and consequences?
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:00 am to BlackAdam
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It is not impossible to answer. Life begins at conception.
Exactly my point. If any pro abortion advocate thinks they can point to some magic week marker or trimester development point they are just pulling a date out of a hat.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:47 am to BuckyCheese
quote:Perhaps you should do an internal critique of your worldview.
Good thing I'm die hard conservative because talk like that turns off a huge number of people.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:48 am to Esquire
quote:Sure, but you could say the same thing about the abortion argument. Being pro-life has been a consistently Conservative issue.
These people should stop calling themselves Conservatives. RINO will work.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 11:15 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Since animals/pets are being elevated to the same status as humans, why not apply the same rules on reproduction. Neuter all dogs, cats and humans not shown to be productive. Abort all fetuses shown to be diseased or indicated to be non productive nor self sufficient.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 11:17 am to Esquire
quote:
Just in case you really are that special, none of these are actual laws: You shall have no other Gods but me. You shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it. You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God. You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy. Respect your father and mother. You must not commit adultery. You must not be envious of your neighbour's goods. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, nor anything that belongs to your neighbor.
So even in American jurisprudence there have been laws - in recent memory - against adultery, merchant activity on the Sabbath. In Canadian jurisprudence there have been laws - in recent memory - against swearing and blashphemous liable. You have a point against there not being an easily identifiable secular statutes that borrow from the ten commandments against idolatry and envy, but in general your argument is a failure.
As for the Sumerians, the pre Mosaic history in Genesis IS a history of the Sumerians.
This post was edited on 5/20/19 at 11:22 am
Posted on 5/20/19 at 11:49 am to Orwell84
quote:
A baby is pulled piece by piece out of of its womb while alive,
I’m only correcting false info, the doctor gives a shot to the baby to stop the heartbeat before the D&E. It is not pulled out alive. Also, the D stands for dilate. The doctors force the woman to dilate enough to fit the head.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 1:15 pm to Boatshoes
quote:
So even in American jurisprudence there have been laws - in recent memory - against adultery, merchant activity on the Sabbath. In Canadian jurisprudence there have been laws - in recent memory - against swearing and blashphemous liable.
When you say "have", do you mean these laws don't exist anymore? Because you've proven my point.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 2:07 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Simple biology. Life begins at conception. Why are you a science denier?
Posted on 5/20/19 at 2:14 pm to Esquire
quote:i don't know what kind of semantic game you are playing with the word law but, the hebrews/jews absolutely considered the decalog lawlike. they were not to be "broken." do you know what the word torah means?
none of these are actual laws
quote:i'm curious to know precisely what you think moses borrowed from, what? the code of Ur-Nammu?
Moses doesn't get to claim these from the Sumerians.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 2:26 pm to bfniii
quote:
i don't know what kind of semantic game you are playing with the word law
I responded to a post about the 10 Commandments being essential laws for a successful society.
I pointed out that 7 of the 10 "laws" aren't laws in the US, and no conservative should want them to be legislated.
quote:
i'm curious to know precisely what you think moses borrowed from, what? the code of Ur-Nammu?
Moses got it from God, dude. The gist of my statement was that I do not give the 10 Commandments credit for coming up with No Murder, No Theft, No Perjury.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 2:47 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
quote:No.
Leave your religion out of it
quote:
give me a logical reason why before you have a heartbeat we should not allow abortions?
Absent the pregnancy being ectopic, there's no justification for ending human life. It's merely being done for convenience or to avoid the responsibilities that come with becoming pregnant.
quote:
Let’s be honest this country would actually be better off if most of the Poors didn’t reproduce. The welfare system is a plague on this country that is only growing and bottom rung of society is outbreeding the actual well to do people. We should encourage abortion in these areas to lower the population of these vagrants.
Leave your racist, Margaret Sanger, Planned Parenthood, eugenic purity bullshite out of it.
This post was edited on 5/20/19 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 5/20/19 at 2:51 pm to Mr. Misanthrope
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