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re: Army 1st Lt. Clint Lorance back with family vid clip
Posted on 11/16/19 at 5:43 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 11/16/19 at 5:43 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 11/16/19 at 5:43 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
F off dip shite, you don’t know anything
Posted on 11/16/19 at 5:45 pm to Deke88
Just ignore him. He's a pilot, which means he's barely even in the military.
Posted on 11/16/19 at 5:46 pm to ExtraGravy
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Disgusting. This guy's 3 days in command of a platoon were one instance after another of ordering murder, and after the murders he ordered, he lied and covered up to his commanders about what he had done.
Was that wrong...was he not supposed to do that??
Posted on 11/16/19 at 5:46 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Just ignore him. He's a pilot, which means he's barely even in the military.
Was a pilot. I’m out now.
Posted on 11/16/19 at 5:48 pm to ExtraGravy
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Unfortunately, one soldier did obey his order, and two unarmed men riding a motorcycle were machine-gunned to death.
They're better off dead anyway.
Posted on 11/16/19 at 5:49 pm to ExtraGravy
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When you were there- did you kill people who were not threatening anyone and just driving down the road on a motorcycle, and then lie about it?
frick terrorists.
Posted on 11/16/19 at 5:51 pm to ExtraGravy
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He should still be in prison. This pardon is a disgrace.
Posted on 11/16/19 at 5:54 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
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Was a pilot
Once a pilot, always a pilot.
Posted on 11/16/19 at 5:58 pm to ExtraGravy
I'm not a military guy and don't pretend to be, but I have assisted in preparing formal requests for pardons. It is an exhausting process. Additionally, the documents are usually reviewed by multiple staffers and lawyers within the President's administration. Because the number of pardons granted compared to the number requested is so minuscule, I would imagine there is something there that warranted close inspection and approval.
Posted on 11/16/19 at 6:02 pm to ExtraGravy
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and two unarmed men riding a motorcycle were machine-gunned to death. They had not presented a threat to anyone and were just minding their own business.
Except they were shadowing the troops and the were in the fricking system fingerprinted and suspected bomb makers, kill em all.
They were also speeding towards the platoon and ignoring orders to stop, frick anyone that thinks an American should be in jail, those people don’t value their own lives why should we value theirs???
This post was edited on 11/16/19 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 11/16/19 at 6:03 pm to ExtraGravy
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When you were there- did you kill people who were not threatening anyone and just driving down the road on a motorcycle, and then lie about it?
I'm 100% sure you did not.
Those brave soldiers have no clue who truly wants to ruin their day.....utter destruction is the only path to victory.....frick you anti American SOBs.
Posted on 11/16/19 at 6:06 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Reports at the time stated that ANA fired on them first and Lorance reacted to that. There was also evidence that these "innocent civilians" were making and planting bombs.
I like when we’re on the same team.
Posted on 11/16/19 at 6:10 pm to mistydoo
To me this whole story is an indictment of how fricked up the US Army and the War in Afghanistan was by this phase in the war.
Lorance sounds like he was an incompetent as a platoon leader, he had a platoon sergeant who was a SSG, young for the position. Lorance assumed a platoon whose platoon leader was wounded.
The quality of soldiers was rapidly deteriorating by this point in the war. And I cringe to think about this platoon, and the myriad of issues they likely had similar to most units across theatre.
But we launch a surge because Afghanistan is the "good" war (Obama). McChrystal turns out to have a shite show of a staff. Where is the rest of the chain of command in this story?
Maybe justice would have been everyone from LT to Commander in Chief splitting this sentence.
Lorance sounds like he was an incompetent as a platoon leader, he had a platoon sergeant who was a SSG, young for the position. Lorance assumed a platoon whose platoon leader was wounded.
The quality of soldiers was rapidly deteriorating by this point in the war. And I cringe to think about this platoon, and the myriad of issues they likely had similar to most units across theatre.
But we launch a surge because Afghanistan is the "good" war (Obama). McChrystal turns out to have a shite show of a staff. Where is the rest of the chain of command in this story?
Maybe justice would have been everyone from LT to Commander in Chief splitting this sentence.
Posted on 11/16/19 at 6:11 pm to Bass Tiger
BMY should have been put in his cell as Clint exited
Posted on 11/16/19 at 6:22 pm to OleWar
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To me this whole story is an indictment of how fricked up the US Army and the War in Afghanistan was by this phase in the war.
I was in RC-E during this. We had great Soldiers, but yes we were short so in my company as an example I had E-6’s as PSGs. I will tell you this. Every time we pulled the trigger our gun tapes were scrutinized so highly it was absurd. It created a sort of paranoia amongst us because even when we had a good engagement one of the limp dicked staff officers from ISAF would nitpick one thing or another. The risk aversion got so great that they actual prevented us from engaging insurgents closer than 1000m. Anyone who knows anything about the 30mm on an apche knows it an area weapon system. Inside of 1k we had it locked in like a sniper rifle, but god forbid we were too accurate...
ETA: so moral of the story is our Soldiers are outstanding. They were placed in positions because of cutbacks. The leadership at the CJFLCC level was absolute shite.
This post was edited on 11/16/19 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 11/16/19 at 6:35 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
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We had great Soldiers
I imagine the aviation units had high ASVAB scores and living conditions didn't tend toward savagery. My observations were of infantry, SF and other units who became "provisional infantry".
And not that your crews did not have a hard job I'm sure over a dozen aircraft were lost in 2010 alone.
Posted on 11/16/19 at 6:42 pm to ExtraGravy
quote:Were they in an active war zone? If so, I don’t give a frick.
two unarmed men riding a motorcycle were machine-gunned to death. They had not presented a threat to anyone and were just minding their own business.
quote:Sure, sure. Because no one has ever avoided contentiousness to protect their careers.
The soldiers in his own platoon were the witnesses against him. Not one of them took the stand to support him, for the simple reason that there was nothing right about anything he did.
Posted on 11/16/19 at 6:42 pm to ExtraGravy
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When you were there- did you kill people who were not threatening anyone and just driving down the road on a motorcycle, and then lie about it?
I'm 100% sure you did not.
No but Obama made the call many times to roast children alive in vehicles just driving down the road....what do you say about that you piece of shite?
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Two weeks after the killing of Awlaki, a separate CIA drone strike in Yemen killed his 16-year-old American-born son, Abdulrahman, along with the boy’s 17-year-old cousin and several other innocent Yemenis. The U.S. eventually claimed that the boy was not their target but merely “collateral damage.” Abdulrahman’s grief-stricken grandfather, Nasser al-Awlaki, urged the Washington Post “to visit a Facebook memorial page for Abdulrahman,” which explained: “Look at his pictures, his friends, and his hobbies. His Facebook page shows a typical kid.”
Innocent children killed by Obama
This post was edited on 11/16/19 at 6:45 pm
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