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re: "Arming Teachers" fallacy

Posted on 2/28/18 at 9:44 pm to
Posted by bamafan1001
Member since Jun 2011
15783 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 9:44 pm to
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Introducing a gun into a situation NEVER makes the situation safer; it always makes it more dangerous.


Not gonna lie, reading your posts make me angry. You are fricking stupid
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140445 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 9:46 pm to
Again, think the coach would have liked to have had a gun?
Posted by bamafan1001
Member since Jun 2011
15783 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 10:02 pm to
quote:

you know, it's entirely possible to want schools to be safer AND not want more guns on campus



I want a million dollars...but I dont want to work at all for it. I just want it in my bank account right now
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 10:38 pm to
A bit of levity.

Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21895 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 8:26 am to
quote:

You realize that just because nobody is standing in front of a school screaming threats, doesn't mean the school or anyone else isn't at risk, right?


I realize they're at risk and would like to take meaningful steps to make them less at risk.

Arming teachers will do the opposite of that, and (as we saw today in Dalton) increase the risk to students and teachers alike.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21895 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 8:28 am to
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I don't live in constant fear of a house fire either, but I have fire extinguishers where they are needed.


I live in a good area with a security system and some large, vocal dogs. Making myself more likely to be shot by a firearm by owning one is an inefficient means of protecting my property considering the other, actual safe methods I already employ.

There's no reason to think I'll ever be in the situation where someone is screaming for my harm in my front yard, and to prepare for such a minuscule event is ludicrous. I may as well prepare for a meteor strike or a bear wandering ITP.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13343 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 8:56 am to
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There's no reason to think I'll ever be in the situation where someone is screaming for my harm in my front yard, and to prepare for such a minuscule event is ludicrous. I may as well prepare for a meteor strike or a bear wandering ITP.


quote:

I live in a good area with a security system and some large, vocal dogs.


I would say you're a sheep, and carry a sheep's mentality, but even sheep know they have a reason to think that they can and will be preyed upon. That mentality is precisely why there are 17 dead in Florida.

What is the police response time to that good area and your house when your alarm goes off? Guess what? That's the exact amount of time a criminal has to take your shite, or rape you, or your wife. You may think you have no reason to think you'll be in that situation, but it happens every fricking day, so thinking that is colossally stupid.

Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 8:57 am to
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Introducing a gun into a situation NEVER makes the situation safer;


LOL

You're possibly the dumbest fricker here but for the fact Wildchop is on this board too.
Posted by DawgCountry
Great State of GA
Member since Sep 2012
30552 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 9:05 am to
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Making myself more likely to be shot by a firearm by owning one



just......wow


people like you are allowed to vote and reproduce???
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 9:14 am to
quote:


I have actual direct evidence in the form of videos that contain enough data to prove my assertion that sea serpents exist is correct.


quote:

No you don't.


Yes I do.

BTW, several months ago, I sent 3 DVDs containing 3 of my long videos of the animals at my expense to one of the members of TD who goes by the username BMY.

Right after I sent him the 3 DVDs, I sent him another email asking him to let me know when he got them.

After not getting a response from BMY for over a month, I sent him another email asking him if he got the DVDs yet.

I waited several more weeks for a response from him but I didn't get any.

One day when I was reading a thread on PT, I noticed that BMY had just made a post and was still online.

I responded to BMY's post telling him that he should read his emails because I sent him several.

I finally got an email from BMY telling me that he never got the DVDs for some reason but that he would be willing to pay me to send them to him again.

Since I didn't send the DVDs by registered mail, there was no way that I could know if he was telling the truth so I sent him another email in which I told him I would send him the 3 DVDs again at my expense but before I did I wanted him to verify that the address he gave me was the correct address so they wouldn't be sent to the wrong address.

That was about 2 months ago and BMY has yet to respond.

I believe BMY's real intention was to set me up if I agreed to let him pay the mailing expenses otherwise he would have responded and let me know if the address he gave me was correct.

If BMY had sent me some money and I sent the DVDs to the wrong address or he lied and pretended not to have gotten the DVDs then he could accuse me of ripping him off by taking his money but not sending him the DVDs.

I now believe I did send the 3 DVDs to the correct address but BMY was setting me up. Since I agreed to send him more DVDs at no cost to him, he decided not to respond to my emails because he knew he couldn't accuse me of taking his money but not sending him the DVDs.

I still have all the emails from BMY, whose first name is Brandon, so I can prove I did correspond with him and sent him the 3 DVDs at no cost to him and that I was willing to send him 3 more DVDs at no cost to him.

So if you know BMY, ask him about the data contained in the 3 videos.
This post was edited on 3/1/18 at 9:39 am
Posted by AU_251
Your dads room
Member since Feb 2013
11559 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 9:15 am to
quote:

These liberal cowards who say the idea of an armed person in a classroom is a bad idea make me sick.


+1
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140445 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 9:20 am to
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Making myself more likely to be shot by a firearm by owning one


You should never own a firearm. Just trust me on that one. You'll hurt yourself and I doubt you have the strength to pull the trigger anyway. They aren't very effective throwing them either especially when thrown by a wuss like you. You may be able to kill the assailant another way though. When he dies laughing at you after your throw attempt.

This post was edited on 3/1/18 at 9:35 am
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 9:32 am to
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I live in a good area with a security system and some large, vocal dogs. Making myself more likely to be shot by a firearm by owning one is an inefficient means of protecting my property considering the other, actual safe methods I already employ.

There's no reason to think I'll ever be in the situation where someone is screaming for my harm in my front yard, and to prepare for such a minuscule event is ludicrous. I may as well prepare for a meteor strike or a bear wandering ITP.


You painted yourself into a corner with your dumb post in which you said, "Introducing a gun into a situation NEVER makes the situation safer" so now you have to make a dumber post to try to get out of the corner you painted yourself into.

It didn't work.
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 9:46 am to
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But there's also lots of bureaucracy


Yeah, if only you could get rid of that god damn 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution then it would be much easier for you and your ilk to do what you want to do to solve the problem.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 9:50 am to
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Let me ask you, what exactly would you do if someone was standing in your front yard right now, screaming threats to your life? Be honest.

Same thing I did the last time someone did that to me - I made him cry.
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 9:54 am to
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Would you bet against a bigger male or female taking gun from teacher or the two of them wrestling for it and two kids in class get shot before anyone gets the gun from the shooter.


I would rather take the chance that improbable scenario might happen than take the chance that the very probable scenario of another school shooting never happens again.
This post was edited on 3/1/18 at 9:55 am
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 9:58 am to
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This, however, will not reduce the response time of law enforcement.

Yes, it would. Law enforcement was already on the scene when the shooting started. Perhaps if he had had better training, he could've acted in a way that would've saved children's' lives - and not just his own.
quote:

The solution to failed government is obviously more government.

I'm sorry you hate America, but we are a nation of laws, not men. I just don't think laws in some communities allowing guns in schools would be what other communities want. So let the separate communities decide the laws governing how to protect the children for themselves.

That's kind of how it's supposed to work.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 10:00 am to
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The government is incapable of protecting you.

I'm hoping you aren't one of the ones claiming that the armed services of the US exist to protect our freedoms.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13343 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 10:02 am to
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So let the separate communities decide the laws governing how to protect the children for themselves. That's kind of how it's supposed to work.


So then you agree that we must get rid of gun free zones. Good. Progress.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 10:10 am to
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So then you agree that we must get rid of gun free zones.

No.

I think that if some communities want gun free zones, they should have them. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

It's all about risk management. When the community decides for itself that the risk is high, they should take action. If they think the risk is extremely low, they should not. Their actions should suit the level of risk they perceive.

For the record, I don't believe in 'security' as such, just risk management.
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