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Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:07 am to SlowFlowPro
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Crying for Dear Leader
Why don't you tell us then what you think would've happened? Since the daughter was in no immediate danger to her life in a truck with her rapist in the middle of the night, how do you believe the night would've played out?
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:08 am to SlowFlowPro
SFP, just to be clear, you think the father should have allowed his kidnapped daughter be taken away unobstructed while the pedophile that previously raped her could do (?) with her?
You are stating, I believe, that the father should have sat on his hands, at home and “let law enforcement deal with it”?
The same law that let a child predator out on a laughable bail and failed to keep their daughter from being kidnapped again?
You think that was the appropriate response?
You are stating, I believe, that the father should have sat on his hands, at home and “let law enforcement deal with it”?
The same law that let a child predator out on a laughable bail and failed to keep their daughter from being kidnapped again?
You think that was the appropriate response?
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:08 am to SlowFlowPro
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Well the alternative scenario is he acts hyper emotionally and ends up with a murder charge. In what way is that making his life or, specifically, his daughter's life better? She may lose her dad, too.
You people are scum.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:09 am to JiminyCricket
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Why don't you tell us then what you think would've happened? Since the daughter was in no immediate danger to her life in a truck with her rapist in the middle of the night, how do you believe the night would've played out?
I don't know and neither do you. As I have said 10 times, it was a terrible situation. There aren't many positive scenarios unfolding, but that doesn't mean we just straight to the most extreme/unlikely scenario as our foundational base for discussions related to the terrible scenario.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:09 am to jizzle6609
I am in for donating
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:09 am to TigerToGeaux
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SFP, just to be clear, you think the father should have allowed his kidnapped daughter be taken away unobstructed while the pedophile that previously raped her could do (?) with her?
You are stating, I believe, that the father should have sat on his hands, at home and “let law enforcement deal with it”?
The same law that let a child predator out on a laughable bail and failed to keep their daughter from being kidnapped again?
You think that was the appropriate response?
That's 100% what he believes and he has said exactly that in this thread.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:09 am to jizzle6609
This is the goal of EU countries. I think 12 for age of consent.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:10 am to TigerToGeaux
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The same law that let a child predator out on a laughable bail and failed to keep their daughter from being kidnapped again?
You think that was the appropriate response?
Is this about to become a discussion about bail, now?
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:10 am to SlowFlowPro
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I don't know and neither do you.
But you know enough to claim her life wasn't in immediate danger, right? Don't crawfish now. Maybe I'm the crazy one but a teen who was already raped being taken by the rapist while he is out on bail qualifies for a dangerous situation. Maybe I'm nuts.
This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 10:12 am
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:10 am to JiminyCricket
I just want him to agree that’s what he believes, with much less fluff and nonsense added.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:11 am to SlowFlowPro
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Well the alternative scenario is he acts hyper emotionally and ends up with a murder charge. In what way is that making his life or, specifically, his daughter's life better? She may lose her dad, too.
I suppose the dad should’ve known that a hyperaggressive vindictive bitch of a DA would persecute him.
I understand your arguments here more than anyone else. I get it. But this kind of case right here is one of the main reasons people have no faith in the legal system. The legal system is not supposed to be the enemy of common sense.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:13 am to biglego
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I suppose the dad should’ve known that a hyperaggressive vindictive bitch of a DA would persecute him.
I understand your arguments here more than anyone else. I get it. But this kind of case right here is one of the main reasons people have no faith in the legal system. The legal system is not supposed to be the enemy of common sense.
People understand his arguments. We just don't know how he can sleep at night if he actually believes the BS he says.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:13 am to JiminyCricket
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You people are scum.
I'm "scum" because I can accurately describe the facts and results of his actions today?
I'm not going t use an idiom to describe the situation to disrespect the dad, but he chose an extremely risky path and his actions thereafter found himself on that end of the bell curve of possible outcomes.
This is like when I used to give talks to youths and would tell them that even if the cops are acting illegally, you can fight the situation after the fact but if you resist, you're increasing the chances of being killed. It doesn't make it right (in the objective sense), but it's about making the best decision given the risks involved with the results of those decisions.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:13 am to SlowFlowPro
Odds are she was kidnapped. Sure, there could be some remote chance this guy enticed her into his car with no nefaruius intent. But i doubt he was pickubg her up to get her an ice cream cone.
This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 10:14 am
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:15 am to JiminyCricket
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But you know enough to claim her life wasn't in immediate danger, right?
We have no data to make that assumption with any rationality.
Read the rest of the post you failed to quote. I'll re-post it for you:
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There aren't many positive scenarios unfolding, but that doesn't mean we just straight to the most extreme/unlikely scenario as our foundational base for discussions related to the terrible scenario.
even bolded the important parts.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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I'm "scum" because I can accurately describe the facts and results of his actions today?
I'm not going t use an idiom to describe the situation to disrespect the dad, but he chose an extremely risky path and his actions thereafter found himself on that end of the bell curve of possible outcomes.
This is like when I used to give talks to youths and would tell them that even if the cops are acting illegally, you can fight the situation after the fact but if you resist, you're increasing the chances of being killed. It doesn't make it right (in the objective sense), but it's about making the best decision given the risks involved with the results of those decisions.
You're scum because you've spent 6 pages tearing apart a dad in the worst possible nightmare scenario for possibly being emotional while conveniently ignoring the pedophile who initiated the entire situation.
This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 10:16 am
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:15 am to JiminyCricket
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I understand that but consider the stakes. If you lose, 20-25 years of your life are gone
I think the max he can get is 10 years. That’s a trade I’d make every day for my daughters.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:16 am to SlowFlowPro
So you think dad should have let the kidnapper run off with his daughter unobstructed? His and her best option was to let law enforcement handle it? Just call 911 and wave goodbye while they drove off (metaphorically)?
This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 10:18 am
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:17 am to biglego
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But this kind of case right here is one of the main reasons people have no faith in the legal system. The legal system is not supposed to be the enemy of common sense.
The reason we started writing down laws 10-12,000 years ago is to specifically avoid prosecution via "common sense".
Nobody has claimed the system is perfect, but as I posted earlier, society being anti-vigilante is not some new woke ideology. It's got literally thousands of years of societal support as a concept. This discussion has been had countless times over that time frame.
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