re: Are these newly released MLK files? Pretty wild.

He was just a front man, the work wasn't his.

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Are these newly released MLK files?

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Are they?

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Pretty wild.

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I have a grammar problem with your thread title.

“Joan Baez”

When I was on U,S,Navy Shore Patrol in Rota Spain 1971-1973 Joan Baez
brother was a Catholic priest and chaplain for the base.
At that time Franco was still alive and no other religions other than Catholicism were allowed in Spain.No Protestant religions were allowed to have services anywhere,they could be arrested.No Protestant chaplains were allowed on base,Father Baez was it.

The fricker lived about 50 miles from the base and had no telephone.When a sailor requested a chaplain we were dispatched to go to his residence to notify him.
POS,was never home,we would leave a note on his door and he would show up 2-3 days later(maybe).

I never could figure out why the Navy put up with his worthless arse,maybe because Joan Baez was his sister.
Chaplains are officers,he got paid well (to do nothing)

Thomas Sowell is a great man, an incredible lecturer and writer ... but not a great orator.

Most underrated human over the last 90 years.

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The man did so much good for us as a nation

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Did he? The black family has been destroyed. A far too big % of blacks are completely dependent on the government for survival. The culture of whites has eroded tremendously. Violent blacks have made big cities dangerous

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A little while ago you told me you'd never heard the quote. Now I give it to you and you tell me it's often misquoted.

The quote I gave is Churchill's quote, VERBATIM.

Quit wasting my time. Your thoughts on this subject are of ZERO interest to me. I responded to you out of courtesy, nothing more. Run along

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Actually my exact words were, "Yours is an adage that I've never heard before," ... because it's not an adage, (as you claimed it to be). Yours was a play on words, a misquoted quote of Churchill's that when presented as you did has two entirely different meanings. And yes, Churchill's words are often misquoted as you did. I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt after you were forced to make the correction, not as a courtesy but in defense of your "there's an adage" claim.

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There's an adage that great men are seldom good men. I think that was the case with King. A great man, but not a good man

Followed-up with ...

The saying is from Winston Churchill. I believe the actual quote is "Great and good are seldom the same man."

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You started out saying it was an adage, then you doubled-down that it was simply a "saying," and when called on it you finally admitted that you had made a play on words using an actual quote of Churchill's. Taken completely out of context to defend MLK's actions.

Five people in this thread, including myself, questioned your claim ... your play on words, knowing full well the context in which Churchill uttered those words. Anyone who has ever read a book on Churchill is aware of the quote, the context and how it was applied by Churchill. Churchill uttered the words to bolster his claim that, in war things are done as a means to justify an end. Bombing, mass destruction, Dresden ... this was the question he was answering.

He was not referring to virtue and morals. He was not making excuses for infidelity, pedophilia, gratuitous and perverted sexual practices while claiming to be a morally superior man of God.

Therefore, you not only misquoted Churchill, you misrepresented his intent when applying his words to MLK.

How was King, according to you, not a good man but rather a great man? How so? Your claim is sophmoric.

Oh, and before I "run along" as you ordered me to do young man, allow me to first offer you a lesson on the words you chose to misuse.

adage - noun
An old saying, which has obtained credit by long use.
An old saying, which has been overused or considered a cliché; a trite maxim.
A saying often in metaphorical form that typically embodies a common observation.

quote - intransitive verb
To repeat or copy (words from a source such as a book), usually with acknowledgment of the source.
To repeat or copy the words of (a person or a book or other source).
To cite or refer to specifically and in context for illustration or proof (of words spoken by historical figures).

No further replies from you are necessary young man.

Regards

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Absolutely 100% agree. I've read all of his books, they're permanent fixtures in my library. And I personally traveled to attend three of his lectures back in the day.

There is an interesting parallel between Sowell and Frank Lucas, the notorious drug king pin portrayed in the movie American Gangster.

Both were born in NC, not far from one another, in 1930. Both ended up in Harlem .... but the two chose different paths.

Lucas had a movie made about him and he was glorified by the left. He died in 2019.

Sowell is one of the greatest thinkers and most prolific writers of our time. He shunned the democratic party and their socialist rantings and went on to become one of the most staunchly black Conservatives we've known.

If you ask most black Americans who Lucas is, they will tell you in a second. If you ask them who Sowell is, they've not a clue.

That says a lot about where we are today.

With that said ... Denzel has played Lucas and Malcom X. I'd like to see him do a biopic on Thomas Sowell.

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I am familiar with the films.

I too have listened and read Thomas Sowell. He was such a big opportunity lost for that entire community. He has never changed his message and had the blueprint to help the people but they rejected him.

I would toss all of the white economic professors I've ever had just to sit with this man for 30 minutes.

We need another Malcom X movie. I feel like he has gotten a bad wrap and should not have..........His teachings, if read carefully, are to not trust the leftist.

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We need another Malcom X movie. I feel like he has gotten a bad wrap and should not have..........His teachings, if read carefully, are to not trust the leftist.

Malcom X's legacy has been badly tarnished by his conversation to Islam (and the terrorism associated with Islam since his assassination) and his friendship with and membership in The Nation of Islam. Ironically, allegedly, it was probably Farrakhan who ordered his assassination with the approval of Elijah Muhammad.

Malcom X's FBI file is another one that should be released along with JFK's, RFK's and MLK's, imho.

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I have zero doubt he was whacked by his own people 100%.

I got a good taste of his teachings during a Darryl Cooper podcast.

I was actually a bit stunned at what the media/history turned him into. He was a hard talking man as many leaders are but he had some wisdom well beyond other leaders of his time. He knew his people were being manipulated from the very beginning.

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The man did so much good for us as a nation

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I don’t know if I agree with this. It’s debatable.

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The man did so much good for us as a nation but I dont think it can be said he was himself a good man.

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That’s every person that ever rose to power.