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re: Are most of you actually Pro-Life?

Posted on 6/23/17 at 6:24 am to
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 6/23/17 at 6:24 am to
From a libertarian perspective---not all of us think the same BTW---the protection of life and property is the primary function of government. When does one become "eligible" for such protection?

The pro choice people seem to think that liberty and individual rights and the protection of such rights comes only after an individual has passed through the birth canal. Somehow in their opinion the rights of the mother are more important than the rights of the child.

I don't buy that.

The other things at the root of the pro choice line of thinking are wrong and in fact bigoted. There is this perception that poor women and career women are somehow hindered with the responsibility of a child and can't or shouldn't have to bother with the responsibilities of a child. Well that certainly isn't as true as it once might have been. Today women can easily put their child up of adoption. The State has created all kinds of child care options making child rearing easier. The stigma of being a single pregnant woman doesn't exist today.

I am baffled how abortion is such a large issue for pro choice people. For so many it is the defining issue of their political thought.

If we are going to have a free society--individual freedoms--we cannot continue to eliminate the consequences of poor decisions. We can't burden the rest with the cost of the bad decisions of the few.

I doubt we can stop abortion but we certainly should NEVER, EVER fund such procedures with public money.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 6:29 am to
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Why?


Development, viability, etc. More than that though, I oppose federal legislation whenever possible.

At what point are you cool with the federal government stepping in?
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 6:30 am to


If this is meant to make a point, it isn't a very good one.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 6:31 am to
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Are any of you for making abortion legal due to political reasons, or is it all moral/religious?


Im atheist and pro life

I don't even know what a political reason would be so obviously, there must be another choice
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 6:31 am to
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The pro choice people seem to think that liberty and individual rights and the protection of such rights comes only after an individual has passed through the birth canal.


Some do. Many more do not.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
115342 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 6:36 am to
Personally pro life, but believe individual states should decide the issue.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35918 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 6:43 am to
Should be a state issue.

And it should be legal as long as anyone receiving an abortion is made sterile at the same time.

Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
79911 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 6:43 am to
One does not have to be religious in order to step into the 21st century and recognize that abortion is murder. There's nothing magical that happens during a 3-4 inch excursion through the birth canal that suddenly conveys humanity on this young person.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 6:47 am to
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abortion is murder


Nope.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
79911 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 6:49 am to
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Of course not, but I think the unintended consequences would not outweigh the moral benefits of saving lives. I honestly think a day will come when people will look back and shudder at the thought of so many millions of innocent lives killed in the name of convenience

It will be regarded in the same manner as slavery is today.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
79911 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 6:51 am to
Great answer you've convinced me. Now, prattle on about how murder is a legal term, blah, blah, blah...
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 6:51 am to
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It will be regarded in the same manner as slavery is today.




This is why intelligent people don't take some of you seriously.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 6:52 am to
Nah, I'd rather listen to you equate abortion to slavery.
Posted by crazycubes
Member since Jan 2016
5256 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 6:55 am to
I think too many people who say that they are prolife are actually "pro birth". All they care about is the baby being born. After that they couldn't care less what happens to that child.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
79911 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 7:01 am to
I didn't equate abortion to slavery, nice try. I merely stated that at some time in the future it will carry the same disdain when people look back as slavery does today. Again, nice try.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 7:02 am to
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I didn't equate abortion to slavery


Oh.

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same
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same


K.
Posted by Parmen
Member since Apr 2016
18317 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 7:04 am to
Yes. I'm a Millenial who is pro-/preaux-life. I was pro-choice in high school and during my stint in the military, but was ironically redpilled on the matter while I was a student at LSU. Only time I think an abortion can be justified is if it will kill the mother or the pregnancy is a result of rape. But having an abortion just because you didn't use contraceptives? Time to own up.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
79911 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 7:05 am to
Are you that desperate to win a point? I didn't post abortion is the "same" as slavery.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 7:07 am to
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Are you that desperate to win a point?


No, but if you're going to argue the point, you should know how to use words.

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I didn't post abortion is the "same" as slavery.



I didn't say you did.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95622 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 7:08 am to
I don't hold a political objection to abortion. The entire debate over decades has transformed me into a monster.

If Mother "A" is able to overcome the instincts that God gave a muskrat and destroy her own child when it is the most defenseless, then maybe we don't need her DNA polluting up the planet with the rest of us.

Barbaric, but I didn't get to that position happily or willingly.
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