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re: Are most of you actually Pro-Life?
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:10 am to SpyBoy
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:10 am to SpyBoy
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responded to someone specifically referencing poor people with a base level claim about "frick trophy funds," implying that the cause of abortion is largely financial and involving poor people.
Bless you're heart. You need to brush up your reading comprehension skills.
I said people don't have a problem with the BIRTHRATE of poors.
I didn't say shite about the abortion rate of poors. Although I support any measure which decreases that, such as abortion. In no way shape or form did I say that the cause for people to get abortions was money.
Edit: where in
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many fiscal conservatives in here. Complain about the welfare state, but find the birthrate of poors and undesirables to be perfectly fine.
Do you see me try to link abortion rate to being poor/rich
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 1:12 am
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Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:13 am to beerJeep
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Bless you're heart. You need to brush up your reading comprehension skills.
There go those ad hominems again...
I wasn't responding to your argument, I was simply saying that the fact I provided was relevant to what pinecone repair was responding with.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:13 am to SpyBoy
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It has a lot to do with your comment. You responded to someone specifically referencing poor people with a base level claim about "frick trophy funds," implying that the cause of abortion is largely financial.
Let's have a look back at the initial exchange-
Beerjeep:
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So many fiscal conservatives in here. Complain about the welfare state, but find the birthrate of poors and undesirables to be perfectly fine.
Me:
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But unless you turn off the frick trophy funds then the dumbest among us will still be the ones rapidly reproducing.
Then you're like:
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More wealthy people abort
No shite. Wealthy people are usually pretty smart.
They also aren't the ones who benefit from the frick trophy funds.
The poors (who are usually less intelligent than wealthy people) benefit from all sorts of gov benefits. It's not shocking to see that they aren't busting down planned parenthood's doors.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:21 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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individual making 30k a year is not poverty in most areas
I promise you that if you're making 30 thousand a year you are doing without something. It's tough to make it on 30.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:24 am to bencoleman
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promise you that if you're making 30 thousand a year you are doing without something. It's tough to make it on 30.
And yet they still pop out kids. If only there were something we could to to prohibit that. Oh... Wait. There is.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:28 am to SpyBoy
Pro life… but if you find out early enough for a pill to terminate, then ok. If you have to have the baby pulled from you and killed, sorry but you're killing a human.
As far as illegal or legal, I guess the states should decide… but ZERO federal dollars should go to pay for it in any way, especially to organizations like Planned Parenthood. They shouldn't get a fricking dime from the government.
As far as illegal or legal, I guess the states should decide… but ZERO federal dollars should go to pay for it in any way, especially to organizations like Planned Parenthood. They shouldn't get a fricking dime from the government.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:30 am to SpyBoy
Morally but practically hell no
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:36 am to SoulGlo
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but ZERO federal dollars should go to pay for it in any way, especially to organizations like Planned Parenthood. They shouldn't get a fricking dime from the government.
You wanna pay for that dirt poor lady's kid for the next 18 years? Just for it to be raised in poverty, with the deck stacked against them where they will more oft than not end up on welfare themselves?
I'd rather the govt pay a one time fee upfront than be on the hook for decades.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:39 am to beerJeep
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You wanna pay for that dirt poor lady's kid for the next 18 years
Nix that too.
When the gravy train for irresponsible behavior is derailed, said behavior tends to improve.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:43 am to SoulGlo
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When the gravy train for irresponsible behavior is derailed, said behavior tends to improve.
But then you have the problem of starving and dying children. Human suffering. Is it not Kinder and more humane to eliminate the problem before it begins?
Can't be starving and suffering kids when their parents can't afford to feed or house them because you took away their welfare if mommy and daddy had been sterilized once they reached the number of kids they can sustain on their own. Be that one kid or five.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:53 am to beerJeep
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We can surely meet in the middle. Outlaw abortion. But sterilize all violent felons, anyone on welfare for longer than 2 years, and anyone making under 50k a year single/100k family with 2 kids to prohibit them from poping out money leeches.
That's meeting in the middle?
And not sure if you care but you are advocating for the sterilization of almost the entire military. Also, income is not static. At what age do you administer the sterilizations? Many in their child bearing years aren't making over your amount but they will in a few years. So do you sterilize them a year out of college or do you wait until they've proven to be eternally low earners at 40 (after they've already had kids anyways)?
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 1:59 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:53 am to beerJeep
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But then you have the problem of starving and dying children. Human suffering
Again, you completely dismiss the effect of your policies on the minds of those who would irresponsibly frick.
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Can't be starving and suffering kids when their parents can't afford to feed or house them because you took away their welfare
You act like the existence of welfare hasn't played a hand in the increase of single parent households.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:54 am to SpyBoy
My personal view is abortion should be an option for cases of rape, incest, or severe medical complications. I do however understand you will not stop abortion and I am also not a bible thumping moralist telling people they will be damned to hell If you have one. I believe in very strict limits on abortion such as it can only be performed in a hospital by a doctor. I also do not believe an abortion should be performed outside the first trimester without a good medical reason. Abortions should be treated as a last resort option ,but if a woman chooses to get one it should be in a hospital under proper medical care. There should also be an effort to counsel young women on other options that they have that does not involve abortion.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:59 am to northshorebamaman
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And not sure if you care but you are advocating for the sterilization of almost the entire military.
Truthfully I picked two random numbers. And also, I said after 2 kids. In reality it would be more like 35k single 50 family.
If you make 50k a year can you afford to have 4 kids? No. But 2? Absolutely.
People have more kids than they can afford. And it's determintal to everyone.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:02 am to beerJeep
You probably missed my edit but I also added:
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Also, income is not static. At what age do you administer the sterilizations? Many in their child bearing years aren't making over your amount but they will in a few years. So do you sterilize them a year out of college or do you wait until they've proven to be eternally low earners at 40 (after they've already had kids anyways)?
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:07 am to northshorebamaman
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At what age do you administer the sterilizations?
Once they reach 2 kids if they're on welfare for an extended period.
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Many in their child bearing years aren't making over your amount but they will in a few years
I'm more talking about people on welfare rather than your college grad or fresh out of high school kid getting on his feet.
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So do you sterilize them a year out of college or do you wait until they've proven to be eternally low earners at 40 (after they've already had kids anyways)?
Like I said earlier. You're thinking that I said sterilize everyone under x amount. Which isn't what I said. Go back and reread. If youre on welfare and make minimum wage (for an extended time, not oh I got laid off at the plant and need a little help) and you have 2 kids, you have proven that you are a net negative on society and should have your ability to produce children taken from you.
If those who get sterilized get their shite together in 5 years and want kids, there are a plethora of children in the world to adopt. Pick one.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:10 am to beerJeep
Got you. As an American I have an inherent bias against things as draconian as forced sterilization but I think you're on the good side of sane. 
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:17 am to northshorebamaman
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As an American I have an inherent bias against things as draconian as forced sterilization but I think you're on the good side of sane.
Yeah, I went back and reread and I could see why it was confusing. Definitely not my best Sentence structure.
But sterilizing trailer park tammie who works at burger King and lives on welfare after her second child is something that will help poor tammie. And save tax payers a bunch of cash. There is zero need for people who work min wage and rely on govt assistance to have more than two children. End of story. And unfortunately, many many of them do.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 4:09 am to beerJeep
Are you talking forced sterilization, or voluntary?
I'd be down with voluntary free sterilization with a bonus $1k to sweeten the pot for trailer Tammie.
I'd be down with voluntary free sterilization with a bonus $1k to sweeten the pot for trailer Tammie.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 4:23 am to SpyBoy
quote:I believe abortion to be murder so it's purely moral for me.
Are any of you for making abortion legal due to political reasons, or is it all moral/religious?
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