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re: Are most of you actually Pro-Life?

Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:07 am to
Posted by Geauxst Writer
Atlanta
Member since Dec 2015
4960 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:07 am to
I am 100% pro choice and find it to be absurd and anti-American constitution to mix religious beliefs into our laws generally written by fat neck white men who should not have the right to prohibit women from making decisions about their bodies. It is massively hypocritical of so many on this board who advocate government getting out of peoples lives who actually want the Federal government medaling in women's reproductive rights.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
61430 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:11 am to
I will not vote for you if you support partial birth abortion. Early in pregnancies I believe rational folks can disagree.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
61430 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:12 am to
It's not a religious view that killing a viable fetus late term is wrong
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21764 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:15 am to
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how child abuse should be illegal then.


Personally I think "child abuse" is a much different thing now than in the past. Corporal punishment and "child abuse" are not the same thing, as much as some like to conflate the two.
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 1:59 pm
Posted by MastrShake
SoCal
Member since Nov 2008
7281 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:20 am to
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If killing a baby in the wound of a pregnant woman who chooses to have an abortion isn't illegal, then why would someone be charged with murdering that same fetus if the mother died with the baby inside or if an event caused the baby to die but not the mother?

For example, an accident by a drunk driver or an intentional homicide, where a pregnant woman is shot and killed.

IMO, they are both Murder but if our government doesn't view one as illegal, why should it view the other as legal?
youre talking about two opposing sides. it was the right pushing the law youre asking about. it was proposed by a republican, passed by a republican house and senate and signed into law by W.

thats obviously not the same group that is pro-choice.
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:30 am to
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in women's reproductive rights


I don't care one whit about reproductive rights. Women can have all the birth control they want.

Killing a baby in the womb, however, is simply not birth control. It is murder. Do anything you want before conception. After than, then I side with the baby.
Posted by LSUnation78
Northshore
Member since Aug 2012
14223 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:31 am to
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Prolife morally. Prochoice legally with reduced feneral funding


Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:33 am to
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It's not a religious view that killing a viable fetus is wrong


Fify
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38448 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:36 am to
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Are you talking forced sterilization, or voluntary?


"voluntary" in a carrot on the stick way. Dangle a lump sum (more than a thousand.. More like 10k) in front of them and say "get sterilized and you get this" to those who live at or under the poverty line with 2 kids.

It would give the poor a lump sum they can use to better their lives (lol it would undoubtedly go to tvs, rims, alcohol, etc), as well as ensure that the irresponsible leech is unable to produce more irresponsible leeches.

Something NEEDS to be done to cut down the birth rate of poors and those who are net negatives on society. All welfare does is enable leeches to reproduce with no real consequences.

Call it what you will, call me what you will. I really don't care. People who are net negatives on society do not deserve the right to reproduce past 2 kids. Really, they don't deserve kids at all.
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 10:37 am
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
61430 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:37 am to
I hear you, but plan B? What about the staunch Catholic views? i can respect the views of all the different pro life advocates. I can't respect the views of alot of aspects of choice
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:45 am to
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I can't respect the views of alot of aspects of choice


I don't respect ANY pro choice views. Pro choice means to be for the choice of killing a baby in the mothers womb. How can anyone respect that? It boggles my mind.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:49 am to
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Besides it's been kind of fun the last several weeks watching him post 30 times in a thread while everybody talks past him.


Best fun I've had on the board since a 'doctor' thought Ebola was airborne.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38448 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:52 am to
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How can anyone respect that?


Because we have enough people on the planet? We spend enough money on welfare? Certain people are unfit to raise or support children?

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It boggles my mind.


It boggles my mind that people would rather continue to set more and more money on fire, pay out more and more year after year in welfare, rather than nip the problem in the bud.

Certain people are unfit to be parents. End of story. I'd rather poor people abort their kids they can't afford than have them. Simple as that.
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:59 am to
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Because we have enough people on the planet? We spend enough money on welfare?


Let's kill all the one year olds as well. They should help some, shouldn't it?

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Certain people are unfit to raise or support children?




Plenty of 5 or 6 year olds with absolutely crappy parents. Lets just kill 'em. For the sake of convenience.

Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38448 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:03 am to
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Let's kill all the one year olds as well. They should help some, shouldn't it?


Cute false equivalency.

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Plenty of 5 or 6 year olds with absolutely crappy parents. Lets just kill 'em. For the sake of convenience.


Doubling down on such a shitty false equivalency. Tisk Tisk.

Or we could give incentives to the good for nothing baby factories to close their doors forever with the magic of sterilization.

Edit. If you can't see a difference between terminating a pregnancy and killing a 1 year old or a 5/6 year old, then you are just being willfully ignorant.
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 11:06 am
Posted by BabyCakes
Northshore
Member since Nov 2016
110 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:10 am to
I'm Pro-life morally. At a minimum, it should be up to each state to decide whether they will allow abortions.

I'd love to hear an explanation about why the Federal government has any legal interest in the decision at all.
Posted by TigrrrDad
Member since Oct 2016
8109 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:12 am to
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Which you apparently failed.


My doctorate says otherwise.
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 11:14 am
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:13 am to
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If you can't see a difference between terminating a pregnancy and killing a 1 year old or a 5/6 year old, then you are just being willfully ignorant.




I can see the difference. I also think it depends on when you think life begins.
Posted by BabyCakes
Northshore
Member since Nov 2016
110 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:14 am to
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It is massively hypocritical of so many on this board who advocate government getting out of peoples lives who actually want the Federal government medaling in women's reproductive rights.


I don't want the Federal government to prohibit women from having an abortion. I want the Federal government to stay out of it. They inserted themselves into it with Roe v. Wade. I want each State to decide whether they will allow an abortion. Can you explain why the Federal government should be involved at all in the decision?
Posted by TigrrrDad
Member since Oct 2016
8109 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:18 am to
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I also think it depends on when you think life begins


Here's the criteria I use - when your child is born, look your kid in the eye and ask yourself, "If I had aborted this baby the day before it was born, would I have murdered my child?" Obviously, the answer would be yes.
Then ask yourself, "If I had aborted this baby two days before it was born, would I have murdered my child?" Again, an obvious yes.
Keep repeating this process all the way back to the day of conception, and tell me which day the answer changes.
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