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re: Are Boomers to blame for the current state of the country?
Posted on 4/2/25 at 1:58 pm to JiminyCricket
Posted on 4/2/25 at 1:58 pm to JiminyCricket
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How far are yall gonna take the blame game for y'all's poor parenting?
That’s an interesting take. Are parents forever responsible for their adult children’s actions? At what point does the blame shift from the parent to the child? Millennials are in their 40s now. Will they still be blaming boomers for their problems in 20-30 years?
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Posted on 4/2/25 at 1:59 pm to jizzle6609
I think several things are true:
- Entitlement is an issue
- Entitlement is understandably an issue for kids who grew up in an era with wildly different expectations and circumstances than two generations prior
- Entitlement is only part of the issue when bootstrap culture is limited by the fact that you can't realistically go create familial wealth by opening up a barber shop or working really hard at the mill for 50 years, etc. The routes to bootstrap success exist, but they're narrower and will most often require something other than mere grit. Now, I do think hard work and grit can lead to a fulfilling and relatively secure life even now, but I think the "top end" of that has come down.
- A regular guy can start a plumbing business that is very successful and gets bought by a PE company for life-changing money. But there are things that weren't there in the 60s - high saturation, broader reach of small-mid businesses, etc. that mean fewer people can realistically pursue those paths, at least to high end success.
- Entitlement is an issue
- Entitlement is understandably an issue for kids who grew up in an era with wildly different expectations and circumstances than two generations prior
- Entitlement is only part of the issue when bootstrap culture is limited by the fact that you can't realistically go create familial wealth by opening up a barber shop or working really hard at the mill for 50 years, etc. The routes to bootstrap success exist, but they're narrower and will most often require something other than mere grit. Now, I do think hard work and grit can lead to a fulfilling and relatively secure life even now, but I think the "top end" of that has come down.
- A regular guy can start a plumbing business that is very successful and gets bought by a PE company for life-changing money. But there are things that weren't there in the 60s - high saturation, broader reach of small-mid businesses, etc. that mean fewer people can realistically pursue those paths, at least to high end success.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 1:59 pm to JiminyCricket
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Cmon man, 45k a year is a good income? Let's do that math.
45k a month is broken down to around 3k
Whoa, I am not saying 45K is even manageable, its not.
I am just saying that entitlement plays a role in most families financial failures.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 2:00 pm to LSU82BILL
It's the entire concept of "screw you, I got mine" and pulling up the ladder behind them. Now, we're desperately trying to cut spending by the skin of our teeth, just so we can a country that can continue.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 2:01 pm to DrrTiger
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That’s an interesting take. Are parents forever responsible for their adult children’s actions?
Nice red herring attempt.
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Millennials are in their 40s now. Will they still be blaming boomers for their problems in 20-30 years?
Y'all say that younger generations have shitty values. Y'all allowed those values to be instilled. That's not saying we don't all have responsibility for ourselves but to throw your hands up and pretend you didn't play a role is pretty laughable.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 2:01 pm to The Scofflaw
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I will agree, films have been going downhill since 2000
Of all the weird things, this hurts my heart.
I love movies.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 2:01 pm to The Scofflaw
This "Blame Boomers!" narrative is baloney.
Boomers just reacted and adjusted to contemporaneous times. Just everyone else. It's not the Boomers fault that their timing was fortuitous and largely care-free.
No one individually or collectively can control what kind of world the controlling Elites have created, planned or scheduled during their respective lifetime. Not even the Soy Generations as a whole can control their pre-destiny.
If anything blame the Secularists, Atheists, Kabbalists, Communists and Internationalists.
Boomers just reacted and adjusted to contemporaneous times. Just everyone else. It's not the Boomers fault that their timing was fortuitous and largely care-free.
No one individually or collectively can control what kind of world the controlling Elites have created, planned or scheduled during their respective lifetime. Not even the Soy Generations as a whole can control their pre-destiny.
If anything blame the Secularists, Atheists, Kabbalists, Communists and Internationalists.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 2:02 pm to jizzle6609
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Whoa, I am not saying 45K is even manageable, its not.
I am just saying that entitlement plays a role in most families financial failures.
I get that.
I was just reinforcing the original post I made about older generations being out of touch with modern financial realities.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 2:03 pm to JiminyCricket
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Y'all say that younger generations have shitty values. Y'all allowed those values to be instilled. That's not saying we don't all have responsibility for ourselves but to throw your hands up and pretend you didn't play a role is pretty laughable.
A simple yes would have sufficed.
I didn’t raise a millennial. My kids are Gen Z and thankfully seem to be the anti-millennials.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 2:03 pm to JiminyCricket
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Whoa, I am not saying 45K is even manageable, its not.
I am just saying that entitlement plays a role in most families financial failures.
I get that.
I was just reinforcing the original post I made about older generations being out of touch with modern financial realities.
$45K to raise a family is an extreme no one wants to even attempt. The costs now are simply to high.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 2:04 pm to EphesianArmor
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This "Blame Boomers!" narrative is baloney.
Boomers just reacted and adjusted to contemporaneous times. Just everyone else. It's not the Boomers fault that their timing was fortuitous and largely care-free.
No one individually or collectively can control what kind of world the controlling Elites have created, planned or scheduled during their respective lifetime. Not even the Soy Generations as a whole can control their pre-destiny.
If anything blame the Secularists, Atheists, Kabbalists, Communists and Internationalists.
Another poster hit on this earlier in the thread. It's not that boomers took advantage of opportunities they were given, good on em. It's the "we had good fortune on our side but frick you, work harder" and yanking the ladder up behind them that turns people off.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 2:04 pm to The Scofflaw
Why blame a generation? We sold our industrial capacity to make a very few wealthy and give us cheaper shite. We all got distracted and paid more attention to what celebrities were doing or betting on kids games. We checked out of our kid's education and worried more about if they thought we were cool parents or not. We gave in to hedonism, stopped having respect for others and teaching respect to our children. We sneered at age and created virtual shrines to ourselves and then basked in our narcissism.
This has spanned several generations. This millennial obsession with "boomers" is obvious, but misplaced. We all share the blame and we should all share the urge to change things.
This has spanned several generations. This millennial obsession with "boomers" is obvious, but misplaced. We all share the blame and we should all share the urge to change things.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 2:05 pm to jizzle6609
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$45K to raise a family is an extreme no one wants to even attempt. The costs now are simply to high.
I agree.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 2:07 pm to jizzle6609
It'll be helpful in these conversations if we can all agree that not all entitlement is the same.
Example: A lot of kids growing up middle class lived within 30 minutes of a major city in a house that may have been 250k in the 00s with a dad who busted it up the corporate chain with no degree or a no frills education. They went on a couple of vacations a year, had decent vehicles for the time, enjoyed good schools and lived comfortably.
Those kids grew up with those expectations - not high end, but very comfortable, living a life in line with what they mostly saw around themselves. They knew there were poor people and they knew there were rich people but for the most part everyone in their lives, schools, etc. were in their circle.
Now, those kids feel they need professional degrees and 150k a year+ to be at "replacement level." They don't have an option of a 300k house unless they go quite rural or they live in the hood. There aren't really "middle class" vacations anymore, if you're on social media, which they are. You're either going to Europe, or 30A at Europe prices, or Disney at similar prices, or Cabo...or you're slumming it on Carnival - yuck. That may or may not be a reasonable impression, but unlike in prior generations, all that comes to their door, they don't have to watch wealth on TV, it's saturated in their online life.
Point being - there is a certain level of entitlement to which I go "well yeah." That's not to say they can't do anything about it, or that it's realistic, or that it's not holding them back. But rather that they're not just avocado toast douchebags who think the world owes them everything. They're trying to figure out how to live in a world where the path to what their middle class parents achieved seems much more difficult and shifting below their feet.
Example: A lot of kids growing up middle class lived within 30 minutes of a major city in a house that may have been 250k in the 00s with a dad who busted it up the corporate chain with no degree or a no frills education. They went on a couple of vacations a year, had decent vehicles for the time, enjoyed good schools and lived comfortably.
Those kids grew up with those expectations - not high end, but very comfortable, living a life in line with what they mostly saw around themselves. They knew there were poor people and they knew there were rich people but for the most part everyone in their lives, schools, etc. were in their circle.
Now, those kids feel they need professional degrees and 150k a year+ to be at "replacement level." They don't have an option of a 300k house unless they go quite rural or they live in the hood. There aren't really "middle class" vacations anymore, if you're on social media, which they are. You're either going to Europe, or 30A at Europe prices, or Disney at similar prices, or Cabo...or you're slumming it on Carnival - yuck. That may or may not be a reasonable impression, but unlike in prior generations, all that comes to their door, they don't have to watch wealth on TV, it's saturated in their online life.
Point being - there is a certain level of entitlement to which I go "well yeah." That's not to say they can't do anything about it, or that it's realistic, or that it's not holding them back. But rather that they're not just avocado toast douchebags who think the world owes them everything. They're trying to figure out how to live in a world where the path to what their middle class parents achieved seems much more difficult and shifting below their feet.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 2:07 pm to DrrTiger
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A simple yes would have sufficed.
I didn’t raise a millennial. My kids are Gen Z and thankfully seem to be the anti-millennials.
Good on you for raising your kids well. Kinda reinforces my point. You raised your kids with values and they reflect those values as they mature. It isn't 100% but it does help when parents raise their kids well.
So if kids just need to be raised right to reflect solid values, tell me why millennials in your opinion fell so short of that. Are you of the position that parenting had nothing to do with it?
Posted on 4/2/25 at 2:08 pm to JiminyCricket
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I think that's fair and if more of them would simply own that, it wouldn't be as big an issue. Boomers get so damn defensive though and refuse to admit they did a thing wrong
Seems pointless to ever ask an individual to admit some past collective sin or failure of their group/generation regardless of what generation they belong to. All of them get defensive. Other than liberal white women, do you know any group of people that individually wants to volunteer an apology for some past failure from their group? And they only do it because they get some social capital out of it.
This post was edited on 4/2/25 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 4/2/25 at 2:09 pm to PeleofAnalytics
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Seems pointless to ever ask an individual to admit some past collective sin or failure of their group/generation regardless of what generation they belong to. Other than liberal white women, do you know any group of people that individually wants to volunteer an apology for some past failure from their group? And they only do it because they get some social capital out of it.
That point loses its steam when boomers are collectively blaming young people.
Why is it wrong to point at shitty parenting among boomers because "broad brush" but it's okay for boomers to shite on younger generations?
Like I said, it's not the fact that boomers did well that angers people. It's the arrogant down the nose approach they take to everyone else, refusing to admit they made mistakes and got fortunate along the way.
This post was edited on 4/2/25 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 4/2/25 at 2:10 pm to The Scofflaw
quote:I thought that might be the way you were misinterpreting your OP chart. It's why I asked earlier.
It's the entire concept of "screw you, I got mine" and pulling up the ladder behind them.
The majority of Boomers are now retirees. The vast number of retirees are NEVER going to register as wanting to give away a bunch of money while they remain alive. That does not translate to "I want to spend it all." It translates to "In retirement, losses during economic downturns can be unrecoverable." Nonetheless Boomer inheritance money will flow in the TRILLIONS, in record numbers, to Gens X,Y, & Z.
The chart is absurd.
This post was edited on 4/2/25 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 4/2/25 at 2:11 pm to Pettifogger
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It'll be helpful in these conversations if we can all agree that not all entitlement is the same.
Example: A lot of kids growing up middle class lived within 30 minutes of a major city in a house that may have been 250k in the 00s with a dad who busted it up the corporate chain with no degree or a no frills education. They went on a couple of vacations a year, had decent vehicles for the time, enjoyed good schools and lived comfortably.
Those kids grew up with those expectations - not high end, but very comfortable, living a life in line with what they mostly saw around themselves. They knew there were poor people and they knew there were rich people but for the most part everyone in their lives, schools, etc. were in their circle.
Now, those kids feel they need professional degrees and 150k a year+ to be at "replacement level." They don't have an option of a 300k house unless they go quite rural or they live in the hood. There aren't really "middle class" vacations anymore, if you're on social media, which they are. You're either going to Europe, or 30A at Europe prices, or Disney at similar prices, or Cabo...or you're slumming it on Carnival - yuck. That may or may not be a reasonable impression, but unlike in prior generations, all that comes to their door, they don't have to watch wealth on TV, it's saturated in their online life.
Point being - there is a certain level of entitlement to which I go "well yeah." That's not to say they can't do anything about it, or that it's realistic, or that it's not holding them back. But rather that they're not just avocado toast douchebags who think the world owes them everything. They're trying to figure out how to live in a world where the path to what their middle class parents achieved seems much more difficult and shifting below their feet.
I understand what you are saying and maybe me and my wife were rare but I took a major step down when I got married. We moved to the hood, away from where I grew up and she grew up on the opposite side of town. Granted, my father owns the house and I rented it from him but I never tried to live on equal par with my parents right out the gate.
I was taught this cant and wont work even with dual income as you arent established yet.
I was also taught not to get caught up in "lifestyle creep". I was actually advised to always live right in the middle. Dont buy the nicest house or the cheapest house. Live a life of balance right in the middle and just be patient.
Like I said my dad is a little different of an animal.
So we waited for about 7 years to buy a newer house when we left for Houston.
This post was edited on 4/2/25 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 4/2/25 at 2:12 pm to The Scofflaw
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Are Boomers to blame for the current state of the country?
DJT and OhBAMA are Boomers
Wake up and smell the Red and Blue roses and understand neither are roses.
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