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re: Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano bringing the questions of the Jesuit Bergoglio..

Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:57 pm to
Posted by Jack Ruby
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Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:57 pm to
All I know is, this thread is so much more interesting and entertaining than examining the CoC cultists.
Posted by 31TIGERS
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Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:58 pm to
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they also foster pedophile priests


You’re a F’N retard of the highest degree if you think the Catholic Church creates queers. queers join the priesthood to hide their pedophilia and eventually get caught and in turn give the Catholic Church a bad wrap. queers!
Posted by Stitches
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Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:09 pm to
The Eastern Catholic rite might be more your speed, though it's still under the "Papal tree". It's a great mix of traditional Catholicism with a little eastern liturgical flair.

That's the rite I would practice if the closest parish were closer than a 2 hour drive.

Regarding the current Pope, it helps ease my mind to think back on the few truly awful Popes that have served throughout church history.

Like Francis, none of them managed to introduce heretical teachings into the magesterium, and the church always went through its longest periods of conservative growth immediately following those popes.

Bad Shepherds by Rod Bennett is a great read on that topic.
This post was edited on 12/14/23 at 9:12 pm
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:14 pm to
Hillary, Epstein, Pizza gate the Pope? Well damn...er wow.
Posted by Squirrelmeister
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Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:15 pm to
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You’re a F’N retard of the highest degree if you think the Catholic Church creates queers. queers join the priesthood to hide their pedophilia and eventually get caught and in turn give the Catholic Church a bad wrap.


Why are you trying to build a straw man? I don’t think the church creates queers but do agree with the rest of the statement. The clergy including current and past popes protected pedophiles from prosecution and moved them to other parishes for them to keep committing crimes. That’s what I meant by fostering pedophiles.
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
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Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:24 pm to
"But just as in the face of the sudden deaths of millions of people in the world after the criminal inoculation campaign following the psychopandemic fraud,

there are people who still refuse to recognize the causal relationship between the administration of the experimental gene serum and the mass extermination planned and declared by the élite."
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:25 pm to
What is "CoC" ?
Posted by gaetti15
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Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:28 pm to
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CoC


gonna guess church of christ
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:34 pm to
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gonna guess church of christ


I guess so, but, nobody around here has ever talked about the Church of Christ, so his post was puzzling.
Posted by gaetti15
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Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:50 pm to
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Church of Christ, so his post was puzzling.


true story I'm equally confused
Posted by Guntoter1
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Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:57 pm to
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he ROMAN Catholic Church after 1054 is no longer part of the One Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church…so why be shocked at the evil and corruption that is rampant amongst its clergy?


lol. Although I agree that the current pope is an abomination.
The Orthodox Church literaly went into schism three times before 1054 and recanted each time .
Finaly in 1054 they left for the last time.
This is historical FACT.
That being said the Orthodox has Apostolic succession and is part of the true body of Christ .
Neither the Catholics or the orthodox are perfect. But together they are the true church that Christ founded.
Posted by Stitches
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Posted on 12/14/23 at 10:23 pm to
Not to mention the minimum of two church councils where they affirmed the Papacy.
Posted by 62zip
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Posted on 12/14/23 at 10:38 pm to
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Regarding Orthodoxy, they take icons too far.



Please elaborate. Thanks.
Posted by 62zip
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Posted on 12/14/23 at 10:40 pm to
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pope being first among equals


Unfortunately, that's not the way Roman Catholics view it.
Posted by Penrod
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Posted on 12/15/23 at 7:24 am to
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All Catholic men should be reading Henryk Sienkiewicz novels and aspiring to be one of those knights.

Do you end up with the 70 virgins?
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 12/15/23 at 7:49 am to
War Monkey was Baptist before he was Orthodox, so he entered the Orthodox Church with a very healthy dose of disdain for the Roman Catholic Church.

Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 12/15/23 at 7:57 am to
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But just as in the face of the sudden deaths of millions of people in the world after the criminal inoculation campaign following the psychopandemic fraud,

there are people who still refuse to recognize the causal relationship between the administration of the experimental gene serum and the mass extermination planned and declared by the élite."


Nobody is discussing the actual content of Vigano's comments. The whole thread has a couple of people highlighting a quote and none of the other comments address the actual content of the OP's point.

Very revealing.

Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
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Posted on 1/5/24 at 4:23 pm to
Vigano bringing the truth re the Jesuit and Vatican 2

Vigano bringing truth and godliness

CONCLUSION
Let the once-Christian nations return to the Faith of their fathers. Let dissidents embrace Catholic unity. May peoples who are immersed in the darkness of superstition and idolatry be converted to the Living and True God. Let the people who were once the Chosen People recognize the true Messiah, distancing themselves from the Zionist heresy. Let individuals, especially those who are established in authority, shake themselves from their slumber and recognize with confidence that there is no power except from God, because this – and only this – is the premise for the harmony of peoples, for justice, for peace. Let faithful Catholics realize that it no longer possible to passively defer choosing which side we are on, clinging to the illusion that the current crisis fits within any precedent, remaining submissive to the cloak of authority worn by one who speaks only pleasing things but does not speak with the authority of Jesus Christ. And if the Shepherds are absent from this general awakening of consciences, let them remember the Lord’s terrible words: “If these are silent, the stones will cry out” (Lk 19:40).
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
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Posted on 1/5/24 at 4:27 pm to
PREMISE
This online conference organized by Professor Edmund Mazza has as its theme a topic that is only recently becoming publicly discussed, after more than ten years of horrors worse than those we have witnessed in the last sixty years, but perfectly consistent with the philosophical and theological foundations laid for the present crisis by the Second Vatican Council. Is the Pope Catholic? A question like this in other times would have sounded almost like blasphemy, so deeply rooted was the respect and love of the faithful for the Roman Pontiff, considered to be like sweet Christ on earth. Who, in the time of Pius XII, would have dared to question his moral and magisterial authority? And on the other hand, why would the faithful have had any need to express dissent against a pope, since each pope’s voice was an expression of an uninterrupted continuity with his Predecessors and with the Divine Master? Listening to Jorge Mario Bergoglio speak today and comparing his words with those of the Pastor Angelicus [Pius XII] makes us understand the abyss that separates a true pope from his grotesque parody, the abyss that divides the Vicar of Christ from the simia Pontificis [the ape of the pope]. The hieratic authority of all the popes from Saint Peter to Pius XII, intimately bound to the divine authority of Christ the Eternal High Priest, has been perverted into arrogant authoritarianism and tyranny; the healthy sense of belonging to Holy Orders of clerics and Prelates has been corrupted into clericalism; the fixed immutability of revealed Truth, founded on the perfect immutability of God – and even of that truth naturally knowable through reason – has yielded to permanent revolution and chaos, to the provisionality of “loquimini nobis placentia” – “speak pleasing things to us” – and to the arbitrariness of the debatable: “aspicite nobis illusiones” – “prophesy illusions for us.” (Is 30:10).

COGNITIVE DISSONANCE
But just as in the face of the sudden deaths of millions of people in the world after the criminal inoculation campaign following the psychopandemic fraud, there are people who still refuse to recognize the causal relationship between the administration of the experimental gene serum and the mass extermination planned and declared by the élite. So also in the ecclesial sphere in the face of the devastation caused by the conciliar revolution and the so-called “liturgical reform” there are still those who do not want to admit the causal relationship between the less criminal action of those experts and consultors – who were notoriously modernist well before Vatican II and as such rightly condemned by the Holy Office or regarded with suspicion by the Bishops – who used nothing less than an Ecumenical Council as a prestigious stage on which to perform the false and deceitful pièce of dialogue with the world, ecumenism, democratization and parliamentarization of the Church, all with the endorsement of the “Popes of the Council.” That assembly was rightly defined by its own architects as “the 1789 of the Church.” John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul I, John Paul II and Benedict XVI did not fail to emphasize how the revolutionary and Masonic principles – liberté, égalité, fraternité – could in some way be shared and made their own by Catholicism, starting from the acceptance, indeed the convinced promotion of the secularity of the State and the substantial cancellation of the divine and universal Kingship of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

If you have the patience to follow me in my examination, you will see that the Social Kingship of Christ is the petra scandali (1 Pet 2:8) – the stumbling stone against which all the accomplices of the antichristic plan of the New World Order crash indiscriminately.

THE CAUSAL RELATIONSHIP
The vexata quæstio – “Is Bergoglio Catholic?” – is addressed from many different angles according to differing criteria stemming from various cultural heritages: the traditional scholastic point of view; the moderate and conciliar, or, we could say, the Montinian point of view; and the one that wavers, so to speak, between the two shores, recognizing Bergoglio as Pope although being de facto canonically independent from him. But we must recognize that today it is possible to share, along with many priests and laity, a feeling of serious unease and grave scandal due to the cumbersome presence of the Argentine Jesuit. Today we are able to ask ourselves whether Bergoglio is Catholic, and it is already a good starting point, because his heterogeneity to the papacy is now evident and perceived both by the simple faithful as well as by a large part of the clergy, and even by certain fringes of the media. The Hierarchy limits itself to demonstrating either cowardice or complicity with the tyrant, and the few discordant voices do not dare to draw the necessary conclusions in the face of the heresies and nonsense of the tenant of Santa Marta. Because they disagree with him, but not with Vatican II; nor are they willing to recognize that it was precisely from that Council that the revolutionary process arose which permitted a person like Jorge Mario to enter the Society of Jesus, be ordained, become a Bishop, be created Cardinal, and finally to enter a Conclave and come out of it as “pope.” For them, it is permissible to criticize Bergoglio, but only on the condition that one never criticizes the conciliar idol, the untouchable fetish of the Montinians who today, compared to the horrors of the Argentine Jesuit, seem to be champions of Catholic orthodoxy.

And here we come to the punctum dolens, that is, the great contradiction that unites the proponents of Vatican II with its historical opponents – the Society of St. Pius X in primis – in wanting to proceed with an evaluation of objectively extraordinary facts using ordinary norms of evaluation. As I have often said, it seems to me that some commentators are more concerned about the doctrine of the papacy than with the salvation of souls, so that they find themselves preferring to be governed by a heretical and apostate pope rather than recognizing that a heretic or an apostate cannot be at the head of the Church to which, as such, he does not belong. Thus, we have all sorts of hair-splitting about the distinctions between formal and material heresy, none of which do the least thing to impede Bergoglio’s destructive action. The objection that accusing the “reigning Pontiff” of heresy or apostasy could cause division and scandal is belied by the evidence of the division and scandal that is already widely present in the ecclesial body precisely because of Bergoglio’s heresy and apostasy, which is, so to speak, the tip of the iceberg of a much worse and more widespread crisis of the Hierarchy and of the Clergy that began sixty years ago and has now almost reached its peak.
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
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Posted on 1/5/24 at 4:28 pm to
A SINGLE SUBVERSIVE PLAN
A few weeks ago, an important collaborator of Hillary Clinton and John Podesta was arrested for pedophilia and child pornography. I am referring to Slade Sohmer, a man with ties to the world of Broadway and cinema, who played a role in the effort to debunk the infamous “Pizzagate” affair, that is, the network of filthy complicity and horrendous crimes against minors that revolves around the international deep state. We have learned that certainly Jeffrey Epstein and most likely Ghislaine Maxwell were members of the Israeli Mossad. This makes us understand that the famous trips of many well-known people to Epstein’s island were used to blackmail them by collecting evidence of their guilt in participating in heinous ritual crimes against minors. And if the Heads of State and government officials of the Western world do not dare to breathe a word of protest against the massacres of civilians in the Gaza Strip, it is legitimate to assume that this attitude is due to the extensive dossiers and videos inculpating them that are in the possession of the Israeli intelligence services. The same thing must have happened with the preparation of the fake pandemic emergency, which was slavishly replicated in all the member states of the World Economic Forum and the United Nations, and also with the farce of the Ukrainian crisis (let’s not forget about Gaza Marine, the huge natural gas field right off the coast of the Gaza Strip, a target that is quite tempting at a time when gas supplies from Russia have been blocked by economic sanctions that benefit the multinationals and their investment funds). But if this blackmail of the powerful of the world constitutes the unifying element of the globalist subversive project, we cannot help but think that the indispensable role played by the Catholic Church has been in some way forced not only by the appointment of Bergoglio as an emissary of the enemies of the Church placed in the very top position, but also by the sexual and financial scandals that have only partially emerged due to the many Prelates who are agents of the deep church. How can we think that a person like Theodore McCarrick, who entered the White House without the need to be announced and who continued to represent the Vatican’s diplomatic interests in China even after he was accused of being a serial predator, did not enjoy the support of those powerful individuals, who shared with him the most vile vices and the most heinous crimes? Are we to think that the partnership between the deep state and the deep church was limited to complicity in financial speculation, when a pedophile like Slade Sohmer collaborated with the Clintons and Barack Obama, all of whom were implicated in Pizzagate? Or that Bill Gates’ numerous flights to Epstein’s island, along with those of numerous actors, rulers, politicians, bankers, and VIPs have nothing to do with the network of complicity of the lavender mafia?

From the leaked emails in the Wikileaks case, we know that John Podesta was working on behalf of Hillary Clinton and Obama – and the globalist elite in general – to promote a “colored revolution” within the Church that was supposed to oust Benedict XVI from the papacy, elect an ultra-progressive pope, and substantially modify the Catholic Magisterium by making it accept the demands of the Agenda 2030: gender equality, the introduction of gender ideology and LGBTQ+ doctrine, the democratization of Church governance, collaboration in the neo-Malthusian project of the Great Reset, cooperation on immigrationism, and cancel culture. It seems clear to me that this subversive project has found perfect realization in the appointment of Bergoglio – and I use the word “appointment” deliberately – and that it is confirmed by his consistent pattern of acts of governance and magisterial teaching, both public and private, over the course of this most inauspicious decade. An action that has in fact carried out the wishes (desiderata), or rather the mandates (mandata), the orders of the elite, point by point, and in such a precise way as to be unequivocal: gender equality with the opening of roles in ecclesiastical government and ministry to women; the moral legitimization of sodomy and gender ideology with the admission of sodomites and transsexuals to the role of godparents and being witnesses at weddings; fake democratization, following the model of oligarchies in the civil sphere, through “synodality;” the acceptance of pseudo-environmentalist demands with a drastic downsizing of the condemnation of abortion, euthanasia, and genetic manipulation through the subversion of the Pontifical Academy for Life; the campaign to welcome illegal immigrants in the name of an inevitability of the mixing of races that is not free from economic interests; cancel culture with its denigration of the history of the Church and the falsification of the Holy Scriptures. And indeed, on closer inspection it is always the promise of an economic quid pro quo that binds the members of the deep church with the agents of the deep state: the elite has paid them the pretium sanguinis of their betrayal with sponsorships and funding. I wonder if Bergoglio’s grotesque attempts to re-evaluate Judas do not betray the instinctive sympathy of a traitor for Iscariot, mercator pessimus.

So let’s go back to the pretium sanguinis, the payment of services rendered by people who have been blackmailed not only by those who know the most disconcerting and obscure secrets about them, but also by those who agree with them while holding similar roles in other nations, in the European Parliament, the UN, the World Bank, or in other international institutions. Imagine if Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau dared to consider dissociating himself from certain issues – for example, the silence about Netanyahu’s war crimes in Gaza – thus disobeying the orders given to him. Even before the news reached the media, it would be his counterparts in Great Britain, Australia, New Zealand, the United States, France, Holland, Belgium, and God knows where else, who would put pressure on him to keep quiet, knowing full well that the Mossad would not hesitate for a moment to drag into scandal – and jail – not only Trudeau (on whom charges for rape of a minor are pending, for now held up in some prosecutor’s office), but also those members of the international pedophile elite who have evidence of other crimes committed by the same Justin Trudeau. For this reason, it was necessary for corruption to become endemic to the system, so that the globalist cancer could be etched into it.

And it would be foolish or irresponsible to believe that the Bergoglian hierarchy is exempt from this blackmail. We know rather that it is largely involved in the same vices, with the protection of Bergoglio himself. On the other hand, what credibility can the Argentine Jesuit claim to have, when in the case of McCarrick he personally decided as res judicata the conviction without trial of one of the most powerful cardinals of the last fifty years, avoiding the examination of witnesses who could have given the names of his accomplices, who are now promoted to the highest levels of the Church or public institutions? Do you think, if it was possible to perpetrate electoral fraud with impunity in order to oust Donald Trump from the White House, that they failed to do the same thing at the 2013 conclave, taking into account how compromised the majority of the College of Cardinals is? The fact that the fraud is public and still unpunished is, if anything, an aggravating circumstance stemming from the arrogance of believing oneself omnipotent and invincible.
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