re: Apt Complex Requires Tenant To Remove US Flag - "Threat to Muslim Community"

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You need to go frick yourself

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Physically impossible.

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I'll continue to talk to others who share your opinion but aren't so insecure that they feel the need to call others morons.

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I don't believe I called you a moron, though to tell the truth, I am getting tired of this discussion.

I believe I said that people who discuss as you said they do are morons. And I stand by that statement.

Most people want to get all the facts before saying something. Sad to say, our esteemed president has looked like a moron multiple times because he has made statements before he had the whole story.

And people were quick to call him a moron for weighing in on something before the truth was known, even when the side he voiced in on lacked common sense.

I have made that mistake myself a time or too. The last was the Martin Zimmerman fiasco where multiple press sources all were saying the same wrong facts that just didn't sound right.

I bought in against my better judgement.

Lots of people do moronic things, it doesn't make them a moron. If someone does consistently moronic things it makes them a moron.

You changed your opinion when the other side which made more sense came out. Some others on this point are unable to concede that they jumped on what is almost certainly the wrong horse.

When I make a mistake, I admit it. When a moron makes a mistake, he does not.

I have seen you post in other threads I believe and don't consider you a moron.

However, you seem rather short today which is not the way I thought you usually posted. But I may have you confused with someone else who is more reasonable.

There are many variation on the tiger mascot on this board, and it can be difficult to keep you all separate.

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I'm still confused by why the apartment complex doesn't think where his flag sits is "safe" but the flag they fly out front is being flown "safely."

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I think they are more concerned it looks trashy if hung up outside the bars. They want to keep the lines of the building intact, and if they allow him and make an exception, there are going to be many asking for exceptions.

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If he could fly it inside his balcony doesn't that mean he could just put it on the inside of the bars and then be in compliance?

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That is correct.

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That wouldn't change anything about the positioning but would meet the wording they put forth

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Actually it would change the appearance of the building and keep all the lines intact and make it look less cluttered.

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That doesn't make sense and would change nothing in terms of "safety" from a fire safety standpoint.

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I don't think has anything to do with a safety standpoint and more to do with the appearance.

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It seems the logical conclusion is their statement just adds more holes to their story.

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From their release...

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Residents are allowed to display flags inside their balconies. However, tarps, tents, flags, towels or clothing are not permitted on or over the railing of balconies and patios in order to maintain an aesthetically consistent image.

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We are committed to providing a safe, comfortable and pleasant living environment to our residents through service, attention to detail and exacting expectations.

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Sorry dude, the safety thing was thrown in there just as a fluff piece saying basically take their job seriously and want all of their renters to be safe and enjoy their experience.

Really has nothing to do with the flag. It is a general statement on how they run things.

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Both Tran and the complex ownership could be telling the truth, FYI to everyone.

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Of course. Santa and the easter bunny also could be, well, Im not saying anything there.

If it ain't in the contract, why the hell shouldn't he be able to?

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You changed your opinion when the other side which made more sense came out. Some others on this point are unable to concede that they jumped on what is almost certainly the wrong horse.

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For the record, I've stated many times in this thread that Mr. Tran is probably lying about the "Muslim" statement. We still don't have any proof of that though and I have a problem with people claiming we do.

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Interesting. Aren't YOU the person who said "all muslims I know..."

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Nope. I am the guy who said...

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First off, many of the muslims I know who live in this country after coming from someplace else are extremely proud to be an american.

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Which is a true statement. There is a huge difference between many, most, and all.

All means every single last one of them. Most means over 50%. I could actually change my word to most because that is true as well.

But I said many. That really is a vague term. It makes no mention of the overall number of muslims I know but simply says many. That number could be as low as 1% of the overall number if I knew a ton of muslims.

So, you must have me confused with someone else.

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Seems like only a moron would bring such an irrelevent statement into a discussion.

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Only a moron would make such a foolish reading comprehension error...

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It doesn't make sense that they want him to remove the flag.

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Actually, if you read the release, it does.

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I shouldn't have been trying to find a reason why.

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The great thing here is you don't have to find a reason why. The reason is clearly stated in their release.

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He said the person he talked to told him that. Do you think that same person put out the statement from the complex?

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Nope. But the more likely situation is the renter embellished his story with the whole muslim thing when the person he talked to likely simply said you have to take the flag down or display it appropriately or you will be fined.

That is the easiest thing for the person to have said. It is the laziest thing for the person to have said. Factually that would be the correct thing for the person to have said. It makes the most sense.

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I was specifically referring to the wording above concerning their flag being flown in "a safe and appropriate manner"

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Actually I do not understand it to mean that. One of us has a comprehension issue, and if it is me, please correct me.

It says...

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Such guidelines maintain the aesthetics of our apartment community and provide for the safety of all residents.

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This is in reality a very simple release that even the most basic manager could come up with. It means that the display of any object has to be following the rules set forth. These rules are set forth to maintain the aesthetics of the community and to keep people safe.

Most understand this is a generic statement and the reason for it is for the aesthetic. Because I believe later they mention something about aesthetics as well to clarify.

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(I'm not sure why Mr. Tran's method wouldn't be consider appropriate)

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Because they consider it disruptive if people hang these things from balconies upsetting the architecture and lines of their building. And it is not just because it is an american flag, it is anything hanging like that is inappropriate. They can't make an exception in this case.

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"provide for the safety of all residents."

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That is not the primary reason here. It is the aesthetics of the place and the concern that others will want to hang things off the balconies making the place look trashy.

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So maybe they released 2 contradictory statements instead of one statement that just contradicts itself?

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They didn't release anything contradictory. You have a comprehension issue or are trying so hard to find holes in their statement you are missing the obvious reason.

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I don't think that changes the point I made.

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Hell, I don't even know what point you made, but just about all have been wrong.

From the apartment complex:

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Stars and Stripes Misunderstanding
We understand that the recent events surrounding the display of the United States Flag on the balcony railing has caused a great deal of consternation. We regret that the policies, consistent with the hotel and apartment industry, have created an incorrect perception that we are not supportive of patriotism.

Residents are allowed to display flags inside their balconies. However, tarps, tents, flags, towels or clothing are not permitted on or over the railing of balconies and patios in order to maintain an aesthetically consistent image.

We are committed to providing a safe, comfortable and pleasant living environment to our residents through service, attention to detail and exacting expectations. Our goal is to deliver a positive living experience for all of our residents and regret the misunderstanding.

We apologize for anything that may have been communicated regarding the policy that was offensive to Mr. Tran at The Lodge on El Dorado in Webster, Texas. We admire our resident’s patriotism and proudly display our Country’s flag at the entrance to our community.

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If there's anything I've learned from threads like these, it's that there's one side to every story.