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APNewsBreak: California rejects border duties for troops
Posted on 4/16/18 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 4/16/18 at 1:59 pm
SAN DIEGO (AP) — California has rejected the federal government’s initial plans for National Guard troops to the border because the work is considered too closely tied to immigration enforcement, two U.S. officials told The Associated Press.
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Posted on 4/16/18 at 2:00 pm to cajunangelle
california has such moral standards
Posted on 4/16/18 at 2:00 pm to cajunangelle
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SAN DIEGO (AP) — California has rejected the federal government’s initial plans for National Guard troops to the border because the work is considered too closely tied to immigration enforcement, two U.S. officials told The Associated Press.
I guess Cali gets to pick and choose which "laws of the land" they get to follow.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 2:05 pm to BugAC
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I guess FedGov gets to pick and choose which of their jobs they actually do themselves, and which others they can force state and local governments to do for them - without compensation.
Maybe FedGov should do what they're supposed to do, and stop trying to get California to do it for them.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 2:08 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Thought they were under Command and Control of Fed Govt.
Brown can put his head back up his arse, where it belongs.
Brown can put his head back up his arse, where it belongs.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 2:08 pm to cajunangelle
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because the work is considered too closely tied to immigration enforcement
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National Guard
The very name states their purpose...California needs to be defunded...
Posted on 4/16/18 at 2:09 pm to cajunangelle
It’s funny because I’m 99% sure that the Federal government can tell moonbeam to go frick off and federalize the troops
This post was edited on 4/16/18 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 4/16/18 at 2:10 pm to cajunangelle
I'm shocked. Just shocked.
Trump should pull troops from other states and leave Cali out of this - they will lose money and they will have no jurisdiction here. He should have the federal govt purchase brand new everything for the state that steps up to take Cali's place on that part of the border. New uniforms, new vehicles, the works. The Guard folks in CA will be fuming at that lost opportunity.
frick you California.
Trump should pull troops from other states and leave Cali out of this - they will lose money and they will have no jurisdiction here. He should have the federal govt purchase brand new everything for the state that steps up to take Cali's place on that part of the border. New uniforms, new vehicles, the works. The Guard folks in CA will be fuming at that lost opportunity.
frick you California.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 2:11 pm to cajunangelle
Cut off federal funding. California can pay for their own shite.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 2:14 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Id be down to spend a little bit of each paycheck and wall off cali with the rest of mehico.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 2:14 pm to IslandBuckeye
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Thought they were under Command and Control of Fed Govt.
What does that even mean?
Basically immigration is in the hands of the federal government. If they don't have the resources to do their job, they need to ask Congress for the funding required to get the job done. What they don't need to do is ask local and state governments, already strapped for cash, to do the federal government's job for them. they've got their own jobs to do.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 2:17 pm to cajunangelle
I wonder where along the border illegal immigrants would rush to cross if the Nat’l Guard was placed in every border state but one?
Posted on 4/16/18 at 2:18 pm to starsandstripes
Sounds like an excellent time to close at least two military instillations in Cali in order to save a bit of cash.
In fact getting from 32 down to 10 should be resonable.
In fact getting from 32 down to 10 should be resonable.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 2:21 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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What does that even mean?
Basically immigration is in the hands of the federal government. If they don't have the resources to do their job, they need to ask Congress for the funding required to get the job done. What they don't need to do is ask local and state governments, already strapped for cash, to do the federal government's job for them. they've got their own jobs to do.
The way this stuff works, with regard to tasking and funding, is that it is far more efficient for a state to agree to what the fed wants, and for the state to mobilize and run its Guard - then get reimbursed by the fed - rather than have the fed just come and take over a subset of the Guard to do a mission. Cali is losing a lot here.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 2:32 pm to starsandstripes
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The way this stuff works, with regard to tasking and funding, is that it is far more efficient for a state to agree to what the fed wants, and for the state to mobilize and run its Guard - then get reimbursed by the fed - rather than have the fed just come and take over a subset of the Guard to do a mission. Cali is losing a lot here.
The Guard shouldn't even be involved.
It's THESE guys jobs:
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (or ICE) is a U.S. federal government law enforcement agency under the jurisdiction of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). ICE has two primary components: Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) and Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO). Headquartered in Washington, D.C., ICE is charged with the investigation and enforcement of over 400 federal statutes within the United States, and maintains attachés at major U.S. embassies overseas.
United States Customs and Border Protection (CBP)
CBP's Primary mission is to safeguard United States borders; thereby protecting the public from dangerous people and materials while enhancing U.S. global economic competitiveness by enabling legitimate trade and travel.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 2:39 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
The US Army exists to defend the US from foreign invasion, which is expressly authorized by the US Constitution. Guarding the Mexican border was the Army’s primary peacetime mission until 1940, and no one ever declared this was in violation of this 1878 act. The US Border Patrol wasn’t even formed until 1924, so claiming the intent of this law was to prevent US Army troops from guarding the border is absurd. The map at left shows US Army forts in Texas in the late 1880s when the entire US Army had fewer than 40,000 soldiers; it has 500,000 today. Clearly, defending the US border was a primary mission of the US Army for decades after this act was passed.
Some may argue that Chapter 18, Section 375 of Title 10 US Code prevents military personnel from direct participation in law enforcement. However, defending US borders from foreign invaders is not law enforcement, it’s the basic purpose of the US military. While defending these United States from invasion, civilian law enforcement may be called upon to assist the US military. Does anyone believe the Border Patrol must operate fighter aircraft because the US Air Force can’t intercept aircraft crossing into the US because that’s “law enforcement”?
When you read about proposals in Congress to put US troops on the border, those are not proposals to allow US troops on the border, but proposals to force the President to put troops back on the border. However, recent Presidents have listened to their corporate advisors and their slogans and ignored the threat of unsecured US borders.
Some may argue that Chapter 18, Section 375 of Title 10 US Code prevents military personnel from direct participation in law enforcement. However, defending US borders from foreign invaders is not law enforcement, it’s the basic purpose of the US military. While defending these United States from invasion, civilian law enforcement may be called upon to assist the US military. Does anyone believe the Border Patrol must operate fighter aircraft because the US Air Force can’t intercept aircraft crossing into the US because that’s “law enforcement”?
When you read about proposals in Congress to put US troops on the border, those are not proposals to allow US troops on the border, but proposals to force the President to put troops back on the border. However, recent Presidents have listened to their corporate advisors and their slogans and ignored the threat of unsecured US borders.
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