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re: AP: Islamic state claims responsibility. Shooter converted to Islam months ago
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:40 am to Tiguar
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:40 am to Tiguar
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Mildly irresponsible to report this without more info on APs part
Howcome? ISIS, an extremely newsworthy foe, has claimed responsibility. That's the news. AP did you the favor to interject that ISIS didn't provide evidence while claiming it.
It's absolutely newsworthy.
I find it hard to believe but I also am under the impression that they don't claim shite willy nilly.
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Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:41 am to Lsupimp
Recent converts are usually the most enthusiastic.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:41 am to StringedInstruments
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Even if he did convert to ISIS months ago, I have a hard time attributing a mass shooting by a 60+ year old white guy to radical Islam. Probably just a crazy loon looking for a way to make himself be more of an a-hole when he already had plans to commit mass murder.
I get it
but I think "radical Islam is dangerous not just because it attracts loyal muslims to commit acts of terror, but because it attracts vulnerable crazy people" is a very real argument
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:41 am to GumboPot
Hillary Clinton needs to revise her tweets and call for a ban on Islam
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:42 am to SirWinston
quote:Why would anyone believe that any lawbreaking incident could be anything other than Muslim related?
Yeah I mean it's not like Islam has many recent ties to violence except for the 3 different terrorist attacks yesterday in Edmonton, Marseilles, and Las Vegas
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:42 am to TX Tiger
Well because of black people
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:43 am to Pettifogger
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Extremely rare they claim attacks without a loyalty or ideological connection, however. A lot of claims obviously relate to people who claim motivation or adherence to IS but who have never been in direct contact.
Which means they are claiming shite they have nothing to do with. To attribute those incidents to ISIS operations is sensationalism and it actually helps ISIS achieve its goal of appearing more capable as an organization than it actually is.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:43 am to TX Tiger
so if youre a Filipino-American, and go to Dubai on vacation, youre automatically assumed to be an ISIS terrorist
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:43 am to SirWinston
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Hillary Clinton needs to revise her tweets and call for a ban on Islam
I don't know if that's possible.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:43 am to Pettifogger
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I get it
but I think "radical Islam is dangerous not just because it attracts loyal muslims to commit acts of terror, but because it attracts vulnerable crazy people" is a very real argument
True. But the vulnerable crazy people can be set off by anything. A video game. A character in a movie. An actress they love. The KKK. Radical Islam.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:43 am to Pettifogger
quote:Thankfully, only Islam draws in vulnerable crazy people.
but I think "radical Islam is dangerous not just because it attracts loyal muslims to commit acts of terror, but because it attracts vulnerable crazy people" is a very real argument
It's all so very convenient.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:43 am to Swoopin
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I find it hard to believe but I also am under the impression that they don't claim shite willy nilly.
Why are you under this impression?
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:44 am to Port Royal
quote:Exactly. How could any freedom loving patriotic American think otherwise? duh
so if youre a Filipino-American, and go to Dubai on vacation, youre automatically assumed to be an ISIS terrorist
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:45 am to Port Royal
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so if youre a Filipino-American, and go to Dubai on vacation, youre automatically assumed to be an ISIS terrorist
Yes, obviously. Because Dubai isn't a massive tourist destination with a massive SE asian population. It also isn't a major travel hub.
Everyone that goes there is a Muslim who could turn into an ISIL one day.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:45 am to TX Tiger
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Why would anyone believe that any lawbreaking incident could be anything other than Muslim related?
Sandy Hook, Aurora and Dylan Roof all say hi.
ETA: Let's just wait for the details to come out. If he's a terrorist, ok, we'll investigate. If he's a crazy loon who went on a suicide mission but wanted to take a ton of people out first, we'll investigate that too.
This post was edited on 10/2/17 at 9:47 am
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:45 am to Port Royal
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so if youre a Filipino-American, and go to Dubai on vacation, youre automatically assumed to be an ISIS terrorist
If you're a Filipino-American, and go on vacation to Dubai before your boyfriend shoots 250 people and ISIS claims responsibility, some people may be somewhat suspicious
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:46 am to MrCarton
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Which means they are claiming shite they have nothing to do with. To attribute those incidents to ISIS operations is sensationalism and it actually helps ISIS achieve its goal of appearing more capable as an organization than it actually is.
That's fine, but that doesn't answer the question of whether they're going to find this guy, at least in his mind, became an IS convert.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:46 am to joshnorris14
Has he eaten bacon in the last year? Any man who hasn't eaten bacon in the last year or so is most likely affiliated with ISIS. This is scientific fact.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:47 am to MrCarton
quote:Fortunately, that's all been wiped clean.
A trip to Dubai adds about .000000000001% more likelihood of ISIS affiliation. Internet history and emails will be the key if he is affiliated.
Now an entire history can be created for him. And, of course, he's dead, so he can't refute it.
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