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re: Anyone notice the subtle attack on NDAs and arbitration?
Posted on 11/16/17 at 10:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 11/16/17 at 10:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
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one thing that really annoyed me was how the media and DEMs framed that bill/reg that would allow people consumers to break their contracts and sue collectively as a class.
One could not design a better marxist agenda than this.Eliminating self Agency in favor of class warfare.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 6:44 am
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Posted on 11/16/17 at 11:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
Wtf is that sound bite conservative foolishness? You cant sign away your civil rights... frick off
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:35 am to texridder
Most consumer arbitrators are not a 3 man panel. The contract provides what arbitration service will be used, and the service assigns an arbiter. The service sure likes getting that steady business, too, and won't want to jeopardize it.
SFP is just being obstinate and trolling. Playing us with his Libertarian horse shite.
SFP is just being obstinate and trolling. Playing us with his Libertarian horse shite.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:41 am to SlowFlowPro
No, outlaw forced arbitration as a condition to contracting for consumer services.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 6:43 am to lammo
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Most arbitration agreements are not truly voluntary; they're usually snuck into the fine print of a multi-page contract.
Lol, "I signed it without reading it SO NOT VOLUNTARY OMG"
Oh wait, actually it's: "I signed without reading it AND ALSO I DON'T LIKE WHAT IT SAYS OMG NOT VOLUNTARY!!! 11!1"
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 6:46 am
Posted on 11/17/17 at 6:45 am to Tigerdev
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Wtf is that sound bite conservative foolishness? You cant sign away your civil rights... frick off
Right. The guy arguing for your right to enter into a contract is "signing away civil rights". That makes sense. If you are fricking retarded.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 6:48 am
Posted on 11/17/17 at 6:47 am to lammo
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SFP is just being obstinate and trolling. Playing us with his Libertarian horse shite.
This isn't even an exclusively libertarian position. Pretty much anyone to the right of John McCain should be on board with freedom of choice.
What a bunch of commies we have in here.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 6:50 am to texridder
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You have no idea how this works in the real world. A regular customer can't change anything in the arbitration agreement.
Then walk away from the deal. It's that simple.
Lerd you people are turning into SJWs. It's amazing.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:01 am to lammo
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outlaw forced arbitration as a condition to contracting for consumer services.
define these terms
what is "forced" arbitration
what, specifically, is a "consumer service"
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:11 am to MrCarton
i think the big myth, and it's often promoted by plaintiff-based attorneys (of which i am a part) is that these companies don't offer fair deals or try to settle pre-litigation. that's largely a myth
Wells Fargo screwed up. just because they have arbitration agreements doesn't mean that they're FORCING arbitration on their customers
hell, WF has already entered into a national class settlement for $142M. CNN link
they obviously didn't HAVE to, but they did.
Wells Fargo screwed up. just because they have arbitration agreements doesn't mean that they're FORCING arbitration on their customers
hell, WF has already entered into a national class settlement for $142M. CNN link
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A federal judge granted preliminary approval over the weekend for Wells Fargo's $142 million national class action settlement. The court ruled that the settlement, which covers fake accounts back to 2002, "fair, reasonable and adequate."
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Wells Fargo has agreed to put more money in the settlement fund if less than $25 million is left for wronged customers after paying the lawyers, expenses and out-of-pocket costs.
they obviously didn't HAVE to, but they did.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 8:12 am
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:19 am to Tigerdev
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You cant sign away your civil rights... frick off
yes you can
i see it every time i go to criminal court and watch people sign Boykin forms, especially when they give Alford pleas
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:29 am to SlowFlowPro
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i see it every time i go to criminal court and watch people sign Boykin forms, especially when they give Alford pleas
Yeah, ...... uh those things are bad, man.
That's the reason I started staying away from criminal court. Those darn Boykin forms.
I'd hang out there all the time, if they got rid of those things. Then they have the gall to pull that Alford stuff.
It's amazing they have as many people to show up as they do.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:41 am to lammo
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No, outlaw forced arbitration as a condition to contracting for consumer services.
No. There is no such thing as "forced" arbitration. Either you accept the contract or you do not.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:46 am to Centinel
that's why i'm curious how he defines "forced"
especially if this is an industry-wide issue for specific industries across multiple companies within those industries
it seems like it's a moving standard that has to look at each subset of each industry/service to see what the general practice is within that subset, and if a certain threshold of participants rely on arbitration, then it's illegal in that specific area only
that's going to be really hard to really get a solid framework of law moving forward
especially if this is an industry-wide issue for specific industries across multiple companies within those industries
it seems like it's a moving standard that has to look at each subset of each industry/service to see what the general practice is within that subset, and if a certain threshold of participants rely on arbitration, then it's illegal in that specific area only
that's going to be really hard to really get a solid framework of law moving forward
Posted on 11/17/17 at 4:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
Arbitration agreements in contracts between consumers and companies that provide for-profit financial services, health care, transportation, entertainment, hospitality, and other such consumer services should be outlawed, IMO. If the cost of the service goes up as the result, so be it.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 3/20/18 at 3:14 pm to lammo
i'm just going to bump this, after another #TrumpTruffle made the news today
Posted on 3/20/18 at 5:15 pm to CommoDawg
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You're being very disingenuous here. Corporations are the ones drafting these contracts. They have armies of lawyers combing through these contracts making sure they are air-tight. The consumers who "agree" to these contract make split second decisions, which are most of the time not based on the terms of the contracts, to buy their products. The power imbalance in this situation is HUGE
I love this marxist rhetoric
Posted on 3/20/18 at 5:34 pm to Broke
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Court. I've been through arbitration and it's either 1 arbitrator or a panel. Very streamlined and thorough. Thank God I went through arbitration or I would have gotten completely fricked by a court.
Where you the employer or the employee?
What makes you say you would have been screwed if you went to court?
Posted on 3/20/18 at 5:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:As long as the "voluntary agreements" premise is valid, so is the "crazy people" part.
only in the mind of crazy people can voluntary agreements "force" you to do something
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