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re: Anyone here live in South Carolina? (Re: Lindsey Graham)
Posted on 3/13/14 at 9:46 pm to Sentrius
Posted on 3/13/14 at 9:46 pm to Sentrius
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They are not leaders, they're rulers who have psychopathic authoritian streaks.
When they do work together, it's usually fricking us all over.
I agree with you more than you probably would think but i'm annoyed by those who seem to think bipartisanship is something contemptible.
This post was edited on 3/13/14 at 9:49 pm
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 9:54 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Gridlock is a good thing and something worth voting for when it looks like a real possibility. It would've prevented terrible legislation like the patriot act, Doma, ObamaCare, or no child left behind.
Bipartisanship is acceptable and needed when it comes to a no brainer issue like human trafficking, protecting citizens privacy and due process or ensuring we pay and live within our means.
Bipartisanship is acceptable and needed when it comes to a no brainer issue like human trafficking, protecting citizens privacy and due process or ensuring we pay and live within our means.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 9:58 pm to Sentrius
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Gridlock is a good thing
it certainly can be, but I don't like it as an entire philosophy.
and i don't want to make it sound like i'm just bashing the republicans here, i'm quite sure democrats will do the exact same thing when the time comes.
i'm not saying they should be buddy buddy all the time, but the country has real problems. How about finding some solutions that work for both sides? I think it could be done if there was the motivation to do so.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:04 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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bipartisanship is something contemptible.
well it's been HEAVILY slanted towards one side for decades. i don't see why moving back to the middle is something contemptible
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:05 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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but the country has real problems. How about finding some solutions that work for both sides?
why is government the solution?
let's just ignore the fact that government often leads to problems (health care is the best recent example)
why do we automatically go to government? hell, why do we automatically go to the FEDERAL government?
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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why is government the solution?
let's just ignore the fact that government often leads to problems (health care is the best recent example)
why do we automatically go to government? hell, why do we automatically go to the FEDERAL government?
Well on a problem like debt/the deficit i'm not sure who else could fix that problem other than the federal government....
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:09 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Well on a problem like debt/the deficit i'm not sure who else could fix that problem other than the federal government....
ok
cut government spending
bipartisanship pretty much always leads to more government spending, though
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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cut government spending
across the board? by how much?
if not across the board then who are the winners and who are the losers?
what about reforms to reduce waste, corruption and fraud?
what about adjustments to the tax code?
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:17 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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across the board?
yes
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by how much?
by a lot
entitlements and defense more than the actual government admin costs, obviously
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what about reforms to reduce waste, corruption and fraud?
reduce the power and size of government and these won't matter
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what about adjustments to the tax code?
flat income tax of some % for all persons and elimination of corporate taxes (including credits)
no payroll taxing. everyone must pay at the end of the year
no SS/Medicare, or other special income taxation. one federal tax on all personal income. same rate for all
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:19 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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what about adjustments to the tax code?
Slightly aside, but there will never be any real change to the tax code that is initiated in government because it is the single biggest tool that politicians have to influence and control behavior. All they do is talk about changes in the margins.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
Met COL Graham in Baghdad in 2007.
Hear his lame radio commercials every day to/from work.
I am not a fan of graham.
Hear his lame radio commercials every day to/from work.
I am not a fan of graham.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
you're telling me what you would do and that's fine but even if you got rid of all the periphery Washington stuff that influences legislation and boiled it down to only the congressmen themselves, you'd still have considerable disagreement on what is in the best interests of the country.
I have a few friends who are very conservative that i respect and can talk to and i feel like if you locked us up in a room we could come up with some solutions that would work for everyone. I realize that's not something that can happen in the real world but it's frustrating to see our elected officials not even try to find common ground and instead retreat to their respective corners and talking points.
I have a few friends who are very conservative that i respect and can talk to and i feel like if you locked us up in a room we could come up with some solutions that would work for everyone. I realize that's not something that can happen in the real world but it's frustrating to see our elected officials not even try to find common ground and instead retreat to their respective corners and talking points.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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reduce the power and size of government and these won't matter
The Libertarian mantra, make government smaller and everything will work out like magic, I doubt its that simple. Rolls off the tongue, looks good on paper but DS is right under our system there is NEVER going to be across the board shrinkage.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:46 pm to Lakeboy7
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The Libertarian mantra, make government smaller and everything will work out like magic,
well we're talking specifically about corruption there. how can corruption have any impact/value if there is no power behind it?
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:48 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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but it's frustrating to see our elected officials not even try to find common ground and instead retreat to their respective corners and talking points.
it's a 2-way street, though
the most amazing example was the shutdown to end 2013/begin 2014. the GOP was 100% right and the DEMs still fought it
the GOP gets blamed when the DEMs were just as brutish in their stubbornness, and the "Tea Party" was proven correct
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:52 pm to Lakeboy7
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under our system there is NEVER going to be across the board shrinkage.
I have said it many times, and even started a thread on the topic: Barring a collapse the size of the Federal government will not shrink significantly in our lifetimes. It will only grow.
There are too many people cashing government checks.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it's a 2-way street, though
i went out of my way to concede this earlier in the thread
Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Just as brutish?
DEMs were just as brutish in their stubbornness
The GOP was asking Obama do what he basically ended up doing anyway . . . . suspend the individual ACA mandate.
Obama, Carney, Reid, and asses in the MSM acted like it was the most unreasonable request they'd ever heard of.
If this were a work of fiction, it would be rejected for lack of believability.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 7:07 am to goldennugget
Anyone following Thomas Ravenel, former State Treasurer and Bravo reality tv star? His role on the show is based around his desire to return to South Carolina politics after his, "unfortunate" incident.
Recently, he's talked of throwing his name in the ring against Graham as Senator is one of the few offices he's still eligible for as a convicted felon
Recently, he's talked of throwing his name in the ring against Graham as Senator is one of the few offices he's still eligible for as a convicted felon
This post was edited on 3/14/14 at 8:05 am
Posted on 3/14/14 at 7:51 am to Draconian Sanctions
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I have a few friends who are very conservative that i respect and can talk to and i feel like if you locked us up in a room we could come up with some solutions that would work for everyone. I realize that's not something that can happen in the real world but it's frustrating to see our elected officials not even try to find common ground and instead retreat to their respective corners and talking points.
What you say would be true if our current representation had the mindset of our founding fathers, where they agreed on liberty, limited government, and preservation of individual self-determination. However, the left wing has gotten so far left that the starting point isn't at center as it should be. In our current situation, gridlock is better than caving in to more of the type of policies that got our country into the massive debt and deficits we have.
Summation, when our current government is on vacation or can't get anything accomplished, that's a good thing for the people of this nation.
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