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re: Another kid died in custody of border patrol

Posted on 12/26/18 at 10:49 am to
Posted by Clark14
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Posted on 12/26/18 at 10:49 am to
Many folks died in the ocean trying to escape Cuba.I wondered if one is willing to die escaping the country one loves,why not band together and die trying to save it.

Our fore fathers died to create what we have today and I'm very grateful for that.

Stay and fight for what you believe.
Posted by bamafan1001
Member since Jun 2011
15783 posts
Posted on 12/26/18 at 10:52 am to
RAd should be banned for this bullshite
Posted by Ted2010
Member since Oct 2010
38958 posts
Posted on 12/26/18 at 10:54 am to
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Like who? What charity is going to pay a 50,000 to 100,000 dollar intensive care unit stay for her?


There are charities that do this. Years ago I had to have major surgery. I was in college and could not afford the entirety of the costs. I didnt have major medical coverage at the time.

The hospital put me in contact with a charity that helps people cover their medical bills. I qualified for their help and that charity paid a touch over $47,000 for the surgery and related costs. So yes, there are charities that do this.

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The so called “charities” spent their money getting them to the border


I'm not sure what you're talking about here. But thr charities I'm talking about help to cover medical costs; not trips to thw border.

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Now what you want is thousands more of the same, on top of all that is here, to spend this taxpayer money on. 



When the hell did I say a word about tax money? You're just making up crap now.

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The crap you have been fed of a net gain from illegal immigration is BS. 


Again, you're just making shite up since I've not said anything close to this.
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
16439 posts
Posted on 12/26/18 at 10:59 am to
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A ton


A ton of what? For someone who is keenly aware.... that is a very general retort.

No one gives a shite what it cost you. That’s on you.

I wanna know what illegal immigrants cost the US taxpayer in medical costs per year. Someone keenly aware can answer.

And then after that... I wanna know who’s budget it comes out of and how that helps their mission to the people who pay the bills... the American taxpayer.
Posted by Ted2010
Member since Oct 2010
38958 posts
Posted on 12/26/18 at 11:08 am to
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So basically you are implying that the doctors PURPOSELY and INTENTIONALLY allowed the child to die because you assume that they hated the child. 


No, I never said or implied the docs let the child die or hated the child. I never said anything close to that. I am saying there were mistakes made; doctors are not infallible and make mistakes (even those with a God complex.)

My point, regardless of the strawmen being constructed about what I've by some posters here) is to point out the blase attitude of some regarding these kids dying. Some people, here and in the real world, seemingly think these immigrants are all evil and are coming here for nefarious reasons and to commit violent crimes. Some seemingly appear to believe these kids deaths are justifed.
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
16439 posts
Posted on 12/26/18 at 11:08 am to
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There are charities that do this.


Name it. Name the charity that paid for it and routinely pays for illegal alien healthcare when they travel to the US and absolves the US govt the responsibility to cover.

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When the hell did I say a word about tax money? You're just making up crap now.


HELLO MCFLY!! That is who ultimately pays the bill. These trips to the hospital was billed to the agency and ultimately is paid by the American taxpayer. In an amount that would take the average middle class taxpayer 5 to ten years of income tax responsibility to cover. If they had been admitted to intensive care. For. One. Illegal. Alien.

It isn’t this imaginary charity. It’s the taxpayer.

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Again, you're just making shite up since I've not said anything close to this


So if there is zero net gain from illegal immigration.... and actually a huge downside... you are opposed to it. Correct?

Posted by NC_Tigah
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Member since Sep 2003
135783 posts
Posted on 12/26/18 at 11:08 am to
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I wanna know what illegal immigrants cost the US taxpayer in medical costs per year.
You wanna know?
You really wanna know?

But you don't wanna google it yourself?

Last year's number was $17,135,594,572.00
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 12/26/18 at 11:10 am to
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It isn’t this imaginary charity. It’s the taxpayer.
Not really.
But then again, as you said, you "don't give a shite."
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
16439 posts
Posted on 12/26/18 at 11:11 am to
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Some people, here and in the real world, seemingly think these immigrants are all evil and are coming here for nefarious reasons and to commit violent crimes.


Just why are they coming here? They were offered asylum in Mexico. Along with work opportunities. Why oh why didn’t they take it?

And just why is California their target? Can’t be the generous handouts available there for illegals. Right?
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
20637 posts
Posted on 12/26/18 at 11:12 am to
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Another kid died in custody of border patrol
I hope it's because they shot his illegal arse.

What part of illegal do you libtards not understand?
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
16439 posts
Posted on 12/26/18 at 11:18 am to
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You wanna know? You really wanna know? But you don't wanna google it yourself? Last year's number was $17,135,594,572.00


I wanted mr keenly aware to just say it. You apparently knew.

You know that is more money than it costs to run the entire US Treasury Department with enough left over to fund the entire EPA?

And that money is spent on people who are breaking federal law.... and are then compensated for it.

Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
16439 posts
Posted on 12/26/18 at 11:20 am to
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Not really. But then again, as you said, you "don't give a shite."


Ok.. in one post you say it’s not the American taxpayer that would have paid for it.... the next.... you admit the federal govt pays 17 billion in Illegial alien healthcare.

Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
133637 posts
Posted on 12/26/18 at 11:24 am to
So where were you when Obama was droning kids left and right?



How about kids that die due to illegal immigrants?
This post was edited on 12/26/18 at 11:25 am
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21700 posts
Posted on 12/26/18 at 11:30 am to
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Our government did what theirs would have never done, provided world class care


Really?
Posted by Ted2010
Member since Oct 2010
38958 posts
Posted on 12/26/18 at 11:34 am to
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Name it.


Charities that help with medical bills

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You may be eligible to receive financial assistance from the government, a nonprofit, or the hospital itself. Check into all three possibilities. Local assistance programs. Some states and local governments have assistance programs for people struggling with high medical bills. Some private nonprofit groups also offer financial assistance to help offset medical expenses. Contact your city or county representative (or local social service agency) for information.

Financial aid from hospitals or medical clinics. Most hospitals -- especially nonprofit facilities -- have charity care programs to help cover or reduce medical bills for some families. Eligibility is usually based on income and savings. Advertising for these programs is often minimal or non-existent, so you will need to actively seek them out. Many nonprofit medical clinics have similar programs.

LINK

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Health care for undocumented immigrants

The first option in Emergency Medicaid. Both the federal government as well as states contribute to this benefit. It is legally required to be offered to all people in this country, whether they are legal or not. So an immigrant can have a portion of their medical bills paid, by given lost cost prescription drugs, and other health care. Call a local social or human service office for this form of support.

Illegal immigrants often turn to sliding fee or free community clinics for their medical care as well. These are located in rural communities, cities, and really most towns and counties. Most of them are set up at charity organizations and are operated by volunteers. Some doctors offer care or a dentist may even provide free checkups or tooth cleaning to undocumented immigrants, including children or the elderly. There are both dental clinics as well as those that focus on other services, including clinics for medical care.

States often offer health care for the uninsured as well. In some parts of the country this will cover immigrants that are not documented. But some state benefits may not be as flexible. However these uninsured assistance programs are another possible way to get free or discounted medical care.



LINK

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ith my medical bills?

Maybe.  In Washington State, these programs are open to all low-income immigrants who meet other program requirements, no matter what your immigration status is:

Medical coverage for children under 19.

Medical coverage for pregnant women.

Emergency Medicaid for treatment of emergency medical conditions in a hospital.

Treatment for cancer, benign life-threatening tumors, or dialysis.

If your immigration application is pending, but you have not yet gotten immigration status, you may be eligible for other benefits. Read Washington Public Assistance for Lawfully Present Non-Citizens.

Am I eligible for coverage under the pregnant women and children’s health programs?
All low-income children under 19 and low-income pregnant women are eligible for medical assistance in Washington State regardless of immigration status, if you meet other program requirements.



LINK

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 It isn't this imaginary charity. It’s the taxpayer


Imaginary? The links I provided above show these charities are far from imaginary. And that list above is a small drop in the bucket.

Yes, there are a lot of cases of our tax dollars being used too. Some I don't agree with. But, when it comes to saving a life and especially a child's life ai don't care if my tax dollars are used.

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So if there is zero net gain from illegal immigration.... and actually a huge downside... you are opposed to it. Correct? 


I do not favor open borders. I'd like to see them go through the aslyum application process (an the Supreme Court just overruled and blocked Pres. Trump's attempt to deny these immigrants access to the aslyum process.)

There is a net benefit from having immigrants come in the right way. I'm not sure how you thought I favored them coming in illegally. I never said that.

However, aside from rabbit trails, strawmen, and red herrings I am saying that the deaths of these kids seem to just be written off.

Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154879 posts
Posted on 12/26/18 at 11:39 am to
Your virtue signaling is noted.
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
16439 posts
Posted on 12/26/18 at 11:39 am to
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Health care for undocumented immigrants

The first option in Emergency Medicaid. Both the federal government as well as states contribute to this benefit. It is legally required to be offered to all people in this country, whether they are legal or not. So an immigrant can have a portion of their medical bills paid, by given lost cost prescription drugs, and other health care. Call a local social or human service office for this form of support.


You misplaced this reply. You were responding to me asking what charity covers the costs of illegial aliens and absolves the government of the cost. None of which is in your relply

You did.. however.. aid me in my point. You see.... Medicare is not a “charity”. It is funded by.... finish the thought.... it is funded by the A_______n t_______r.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135783 posts
Posted on 12/26/18 at 11:41 am to
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Ok.. in one post you say it’s not the American taxpayer that would have paid for it....
No sir!
Implicit in what I said is it was free for the child insofar as the child/father received identical care to fully insured individuals, and almost certainly won't be paying a cent.

You can also be damn certain that the taxpayer will not pay as much as 1¢ to any private practicing MD who provided care for that patient. Any physician in that spot will just eat the time-expertise-service cost.

FWIW, though as you've said, you don't give a shite.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135783 posts
Posted on 12/26/18 at 11:47 am to
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Yes, there are a lot of cases of our tax dollars being used too
As few if any of caravan-types have financial resources, they will either be non-pay or medicaid. As the government also compensates facilities for "self-pay" indigent care, taxpayers almost assuredly foot a portion of the bill.
Posted by Ted2010
Member since Oct 2010
38958 posts
Posted on 12/26/18 at 11:59 am to
And you totally skipped over the charities listed, went yo Medicaid and think you made a point.
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