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re: Andrew Weissmann's intentional ignorance on checks and balances.

Posted on 4/29/24 at 12:37 pm to
Posted by boosiebadazz
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 12:37 pm to
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Removing the VPOTUS from the equation


Same idea as to why it wouldn’t be wise to have VPOTUS be the officeholder where election certification bottlenecks, right?

Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 12:39 pm to
Posting that case made things real quiet.

I thank Robin Masters for the biggest self-own on the poli board in some time, for linking it (thinking it supported his side).

I mean I found the case example, but had no idea the actual ruling was so strong for my side (even my Double Jeopardy argument).
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 12:40 pm to
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Same idea as to why it wouldn’t be wise to have VPOTUS be the officeholder where election certification bottlenecks, right?

My position on Pence’s inability to do anything other than open envelopes is well documented in my post history
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 12:41 pm to
I don't think boosie was taking a shot at you directly, more adding to your point to make a larger one
Posted by boosiebadazz
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 12:44 pm to
I thought Robin Masters was legitimately in good faith and confused the other night. I had no idea he was this viciously stupid.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 12:51 pm to
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thank Robin Masters for the biggest self-own on the poli board in some time, for linking it (thinking it supported his side).


I posted it knowing full well what it said. The reason was because the attorneys who won the case made the same argument I was making. An argument you seemed to be treating as ludicrous.

Constitutional scholars agree with me

Alexander Hamilton agrees with me.

If the USSC agreed with you they wouldn’t be hearing the case.




Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80295 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 12:54 pm to
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Posting that case made things real quiet.


And the cert denial is found at 103 S.Ct. 1188.

But let’s ignore actual cases that have been litigated by the highest courts in the land. A law professor wrote a law review article!
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 12:56 pm to
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The reason was because the attorneys who won the case made the same argument I was making.

Literally not true
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 12:57 pm to
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boosiebadazz


It’s sad enough being a fake lawyer on a chitchat board but when another one shows up to suck his dick it becomes absolutely tragic.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 1:17 pm to
And even us fake lawyers understand opinions from actual appellate courts.
Posted by Rohan Gravy
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2017
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 1:22 pm to
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quote:Andrew Weissmann


Is whatever scum is to scum.


Evil POS
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 1:28 pm to
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And even us fake lawyers understand opinions from actual appellate courts.


It would appear the USSC doesn’t put too much weight in them.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 1:38 pm to
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What else could it imply?
A litany of things, as did Roberts' absence from the J6 charade trial.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124004 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 1:40 pm to
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Same idea as to why it wouldn’t be wise to have VPOTUS be the officeholder where election certification bottlenecks, right?
and yet, we do.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 2:03 pm to
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A litany of things, as did Roberts' absence from the J6 charade trial.

And which of those removes the President from the same Constitutional analysis of any other person to which the clause applies, and which Constitutional clause specifically makes this distinction?
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 2:04 pm to
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A litany of things

Such as?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124004 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 3:06 pm to
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which Constitutional clause specifically makes this distinction?
There is no clarifying clause one way or the other.
There is no precedent, despite your claim to the contrary.
Any ruling would be subject to Constitutional interpretation.

However, as a trial would significantly undermine the president's ability to do his job, (contradistinct from the coequals judicial hierarchical structure, or that of the legislative branch) a trial could therefore hamper the country. So the chance that SCOTUS would simply lump findings in with some generic Judicial Branch treatment is remote to nonexistent.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
29892 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 3:07 pm to
Alexander Hamilton again from the top rope:

quote:

The answer to this question has been anticipated in the investigation of its other characteristics, and is satisfactorily deducible from these circumstances; from the election of the President once in four years by persons immediately chosen by the people for that purpose; and from his being at all times liable to impeachment, trial, dismission from office, incapacity to serve in any other, and to forfeiture of life and estate by subsequent prosecution in the common course of law.


Federalist 77


Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124004 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 3:26 pm to
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Alexander Hamilton again from the top rope:
But, but, but, but ... that implies a different treatment for the POTUS vs a no-name federal judge??? Oh my. How totally unexpected.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 3:41 pm to
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However, as a trial would significantly undermine the president's ability to do his job, (contradistinct from the coequals judicial hierarchical structure, or that of the legislative branch) a trial could therefore hamper the country. So the chance that SCOTUS would simply lump findings in with some generic Judicial Branch treatment is remote to nonexistent.

What does this have to do with impeachment, though?
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