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re: And so the reparations talk begins
Posted on 6/24/20 at 1:03 pm to Big Scrub TX
Posted on 6/24/20 at 1:03 pm to Big Scrub TX
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The fedgov royally fricked over millions of Americans - for decades.
No they didn't.
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That isn't how a sovereign works. It's timeless.
Yet, you are wanting reparations from a sovereign for a handout, clearly you don't know what a sovereign is.
This post was edited on 6/24/20 at 1:07 pm
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Posted on 6/24/20 at 1:04 pm to Allthatfades
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Without Economic Justice, There Can Be No True Equality
i guess Welfare wasnt enough for them.
What about the half black people? do they just pay themselves?
Since the Democratic party is the party of slavery let it come out of there pockets...
you aint getting shite from me
Posted on 6/24/20 at 1:06 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Just like none of you were involved in WWII - yet I'm sure you greedily gobble up any and all hagiographic films/books about that period that you can.
I dont see us paying reparations to the Japanese either.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 1:06 pm to Big Scrub TX
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How about if we tied any reparations to those specific 20% of Americans?
How about you go after the blacks that sold them into slavery to begin with. Black slave owners have to pay double too. How about you pick up some real history books and educate your miserably ignorant arse.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 1:06 pm to SidewalkTiger
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I dont see us paying reparations to the Japanese either.
We did pay reparations to "Japanese Americans" in the 1980s - years and years after many of them had died and many new Americans were born who quite literally had nothing to do with it. ETA: I actually didn't agree with this reparations package...but not due to the silly notion that it was inherently immoral for a sovereign state to do such a thing.
This post was edited on 6/24/20 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 6/24/20 at 1:08 pm to Clames
quote:Right. Makes a lot of sense to back to Africa.
How about you go after the blacks that sold them into slavery to begin with
quote:Agreed.
Black slave owners have to pay double too.
quote:Name one aspect of the history of this you believe I am "ignorant" of.
How about you pick up some real history books and educate your miserably ignorant arse.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 1:09 pm to Big Scrub TX
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It's timeless.
Heritable!Posted on 6/24/20 at 1:09 pm to Clames
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How about you go after the blacks that sold them into slavery to begin with. Black slave owners have to pay double too. How about you pick up some real history books and educate your miserably ignorant arse.
This is basically what he is saying, my Grandmother started receiving SS payment upon retirement. I find out Grandmother didn't receive her full payments under SS and didn't do anything about it for 30 years. Grandmother dies, now I'm an offspring... the United States government pays me money for failure to pay what my Grandmother never disputed and which the government was never obligated to pay anyone.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 1:09 pm to Big Scrub TX
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We did pay reparations to "Japanese Americans" in the 1980s - years and years after many of them had died and many new Americans were born who quite literally had nothing to do with it.
40 years later vs 150 years later.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 1:09 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Just like none of you were involved in WWII - yet I'm sure you greedily gobble up any and all hagiographic films/books about that period that you can.
I watched Glory the other night!
Posted on 6/24/20 at 1:10 pm to Big Scrub TX
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We did pay reparations to "Japanese Americans" in the 1980s - years and years after many of them had died and many new Americans were born who quite literally had nothing to do with it.
The reparations only went to those who were actually interned. These reparations would be going to people who were never held as slaves. A very big difference.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 1:10 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
quote:What a bizarre construct.
This is basically what he is saying, my Grandmother started receiving SS payment upon retirement. I find out Grandmother didn't receive her full payments under SS and didn't do anything about it for 30 years. Grandmother dies, now I'm an offspring... the United States government pays me money for failure to pay what my Grandmother never disputed and which the government was never obligated to pay anyone.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 1:10 pm to Allthatfades
They can "talk" all they want.
The second the government says they are going to pay it will be the last time they see a dime from me.
The second the government says they are going to pay it will be the last time they see a dime from me.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 1:10 pm to Allthatfades
If reparations are paid, it needs to be directly into a 410k, with penalties outside of qualified reasons like buying a home. There needs to be some mechanism of accountability or else it will simply be a stimulus that will be burned through and they will be asking for more
This is ignoring the obvious problems it will cause in society by just exchanging inequities for new ones.
This is ignoring the obvious problems it will cause in society by just exchanging inequities for new ones.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 1:11 pm to SidewalkTiger
quote:How does that change anything? Also, I've said a billion times that Jim Crow should be the reference - not slavery. Millions of Americans are living who suffered under Jim Crow. Just like thousands of Japanese Americans were alive in 1985 that suffered in internment camps.
40 years later vs 150 years later.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 1:11 pm to Big Scrub TX
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We did pay reparations to "Japanese Americans" in the 1980s - years and years after many of them had died and many new Americans were born who quite literally had nothing to do with it. ETA: I actually didn't agree with this reparations package...but not due to the silly notion that it was inherently immoral for a sovereign state to do such a thing.
There was clear taking and estates I would imagine could recover.
The example you cite is not a taking.
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I've said a billion times that Jim Crow should be the reference - not slavery.
1. If you mean schools, are generally under State law not federal.
2. there is no obligation for a state or federal government to provide these(schools) under contract
3. there is no taking
4. no calculation because no taking
This post was edited on 6/24/20 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 6/24/20 at 1:13 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I've said a billion times that Jim Crow should be the reference -
In order to identify who is responsible for these reparations, we must identify who benefited and supported Jim Crow.
It was and is a detriment to most of society.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 1:13 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Millions of Americans are living who suffered under Jim Crow.
How did they suffer?
Posted on 6/24/20 at 1:15 pm to SidewalkTiger
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How did they suffer?
He's wants money because the government didn't give him something.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 1:15 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
quote:This was a legislative act, not a judicial finding. I don't think takings had anything to do with it. It was explicit redress of racially-motivated actions by the government.
There was clear taking and estates I would imagine could recover.
The example you cite is not a taking.
The act also formally apologized, as well as, you know, acknowledging the enormity of what had happened. Both of those things are a "no go" according to the facile notion that "I wasn't alive and I didn't do it".
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