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re: An Appeal For "Traditional Conservatives" to reconsider Populism.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 9:19 am to RiverCityTider
Posted on 6/9/24 at 9:19 am to RiverCityTider
I’m not reading all of that but every other nation is voting FAR RIGHT in all of their elections because the entire world is sick and fricking tired of elites trying to rule our lives.
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 9:19 am to td01241
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People are openly going on the offensive against left now. No longer content to just accept death by a million cuts. It is undeniable right wing people are fighting back openly and with clear intent no longer afraid of their labels. Not enough yet by far but it’s happening.
There are some...then there are the Conservatives like Roger and Slow that are peeking around the curtains while they are on the phone with police turning in the ones "fighting back" There are still a LOT of these people. Even red states full of them(Georgia, Arizona, Utah)
The reinforcements are coming too late to right the ship if conservatism is your only way forward.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 9:20 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Speak for yourself. Funny, many on this board was all over Ron until Donny came along. They are the opposite ends of the spectrum. \ Now they criticize his ideology.
I let the results speak for themselves. Conservatives arent Ron Paul...they are John McCain
Posted on 6/9/24 at 9:24 am to scottydoesntknow
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Conservatives arent Ron Paul..
They are.
I dont consider y'all conservative.
People's lack of values showed up when Trump arrived.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 9:24 am to SDVTiger
Our principled conservative friends are great on pointing out the problem but don’t offer any solutions except that people should “vote smarter”.
They also tend to consistently ignore or blow right by questions challenging the opportunity that conservatives had over and over to make a difference. History for them begins in 2016.
Some of them also can’t help themselves but take broadsides at the working class (trailer park observations). This hint of elitism/disdain for those they perceive “beneath them”, smacks of the same coastal progressive mindset that they know what’s better for you than you do….just coming from a different angle.
They would seem incapable/unwilling for self-reflection and what they could’ve or should’ve done more effectively. It’s always pointing at someone else….which isn’t very conservative.
Until/unless they figure things out, they’ll continue to be a non-factor. They can be mad about that but that hasn’t really gotten them anywhere and I doubt it will.
They also tend to consistently ignore or blow right by questions challenging the opportunity that conservatives had over and over to make a difference. History for them begins in 2016.
Some of them also can’t help themselves but take broadsides at the working class (trailer park observations). This hint of elitism/disdain for those they perceive “beneath them”, smacks of the same coastal progressive mindset that they know what’s better for you than you do….just coming from a different angle.
They would seem incapable/unwilling for self-reflection and what they could’ve or should’ve done more effectively. It’s always pointing at someone else….which isn’t very conservative.
Until/unless they figure things out, they’ll continue to be a non-factor. They can be mad about that but that hasn’t really gotten them anywhere and I doubt it will.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 9:25 am to RiverCityTider
Populism is the only way at this point
Posted on 6/9/24 at 9:26 am to Great Plains Drifter
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Our principled conservative friends are great on pointing out the problem
Voting for populists, you deserve what you get.
Like progressives, y'all cant understand cause/effect. All that free shite was great in 2020, but youre paying for it now.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 9:27 am to RogerTheShrubber
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quote: By your logic I don’t know how people can look at Finland or Sweden and think socialism is a bad thing.
They arent socialist.
New Orleans is populist.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 9:28 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Before Obama/BIden/Trump a lot less debt
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George W. Bush
$4.9 trillion over 8 years
($0.6 trillion per year)
you are such a clownPosted on 6/9/24 at 9:28 am to SirWinston
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Populism is the only way at this point
Enjoy being ruled by hood rats and dishwashers.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 9:29 am to RogerTheShrubber
You cling to your “principles” and I’ll live in reality with the rest of the world. It’s the ideological “purity” tests that have got us where we are today. Far too many supposed conservatives like Ted Cruz and Mike Lee have done nothing along with dozens of others but all we need is few more conservatives, amirite? Nah, I believe I have heard that one too many times.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 9:29 am to Great Plains Drifter
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Our principled conservative friends are great on pointing out the problem but don’t offer any solutions except that people should “vote smarter”.
Exactly which to them = voting status quo and then complaining
They are the reason Desantis got 3% cause they are losers
Posted on 6/9/24 at 9:29 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Enjoy being ruled by hood rats and dishwashers.
One of these things is not like the other.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 9:29 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Voting for populists, you deserve what you get. Like progressives, y'all cant understand cause/effect. All that free shite was great in 2020, but youre paying for it now.
Yep, I get where you stand Roger.
Maybe the conservatives will eventually produce a figure who proves themselves to be an effective leader at communicating ways to solve the problems instead of just pointing them out.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 9:32 am to Great Plains Drifter
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to be an effective leader at communicating ways to solve the problems
You shouldnt need this. We all know what the problem is.
The only thing that matters is the economy, period. I get it, Trump promised to wipe out the debt in 2016. There was no reason to disbelieve.
But y'all are making the same mistake again because yall are addicted to shiny objects.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 9:35 am to deltaland
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Basically restore law and order, common sense, free market economy and personal freedoms by force by eliminating those who have used our system to destroy it from within.
A Roman general, Sulla, tried what you’re describing after the left screwed things up. He had people executed and restored the republic, then removed himself.
The aftermath produced emperors, and the first of those were leftists.
Note the leftists were called populares. Even back then, populism wasn’t a good thing.
Wiki:
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Sulla played an important role in the long political struggle between the optimates and populares factions at Rome. He was a leader of the optimates, which sought to maintain senatorial supremacy against the populist reforms advocated by the populares, headed by Marius. In a dispute over the command of the war against Mithridates, initially awarded to Sulla by the Senate, but withdrawn as a result of Marius' intrigues, Sulla marched on Rome in an unprecedented act and defeated Marian forces in battle. The populares nonetheless seized power once he left with his army to Asia. He returned victorious from the east in 82 BC, marched a second time on Rome, and crushed the populares and their Italian allies at the Battle of the Colline Gate. He then revived the office of dictator, which had been inactive since the Second Punic War, over a century before. He used his powers to purge his opponents, and reform Roman constitutional laws, to restore the primacy of the Senate and limit the power of the tribunes of the plebs. Resigning his dictatorship in 79 BC, Sulla retired to private life and died the following year.
This post was edited on 6/9/24 at 9:42 am
Posted on 6/9/24 at 9:36 am to RogerTheShrubber
You are about as naive and uninformed as our resident liberals. Reagan isn’t walking through the door and he too ran up massive deficits. Ron Paul is our savior and apparently Kennedy meets your definition of “conservatism” now. Your views are about as illogical as they can get
Posted on 6/9/24 at 9:41 am to Rip Torner
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You are about as naive and uninformed
What propped up Trumps economy?
Obama's?
Biden's?
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your definition of “conservatism” now.
Jesus christ Goober. Conservatism has always been what it is.
Free Markets
Small Govt
Prudence and fiscal restraint
I dont know what world you live in.
This post was edited on 6/9/24 at 9:43 am
Posted on 6/9/24 at 9:41 am to RCDfan1950
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Trump should fire/replace every single Fed District Attorney Generals on day one
That’s what Obama did if I recall. Trump should fire a lot of people throughout the massive government machine. He should also lead the way on closing down some of the Departments that do nothing to enhance the lives of Americans.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 9:43 am to RogerTheShrubber
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You shouldnt need this. We all know what the problem is.
The problem IMO is a combination of the 1965 Immigration and Nationality Act, the removal of the Gold Standard, and segregation by force.
I’d bet good money you at least disagree somewhat if not entirely, as will most of the PT.
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