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re: American Conservatism is Fiddling While Rome Burns
Posted on 7/31/20 at 1:51 pm to kingbob
Posted on 7/31/20 at 1:51 pm to kingbob
I am in agreement with you. What I am asking you is how do you think achieving those things are possible within the current paradigm. If you don't think they are, then what would you suggest happen to get them done?
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Posted on 7/31/20 at 1:52 pm to bogeypro
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Trump loves America, but he isn't conservative.
Trump is anti-left and pro America and that’s all I can really ask for right now.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 1:53 pm to Lima Whiskey
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by Lima Whiskey
If we don’t have the strength to fight, then we deserve to die out.
fricking tell me where to go???
We’re ready, just need marching orders!!!
Posted on 7/31/20 at 1:53 pm to DeusVultMachina
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Dude, troyt is a neocon uniparty bootlicker.
Your words are wasted on him.
Link?
You don't know me, dickhead. If I were King, I would institute the smallest, most constitutionally grounded, least centralized federal government that this country has seen since the 1700's.
Even as president, I would fight for these things, but I would also know that I would prefer to fight those who would kill Americans on their soil, instead of ours. I would know that drug abuse and addiction isn't a victimless crime, with the children of the addict often being that victim. I would know that abortion is murder, just as it is considered when sea turtle or bald eagle eggs are involved. I would know that spending 20 billion dollars to build a physical barrier between the US and it's primary exporter of criminal illegals, can only be money well spent, when you consider the 20 billion or so stolen from the taxpayer every year to support those same criminal illegals.
This post was edited on 7/31/20 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 7/31/20 at 1:59 pm to HempHead
You campaign on the basis that the status quo doesn’t work, that the money is all about to run out, and that the system is killing grandma. Paint this as a bipartisan issue with both widespread public support on the left and right propped up by polling data. You can fake the polls if you want, reality matters not. Start spamming twitter with bots using your hashtag and maybe pay a few influencers to retweet.
Anyone who resists, you label as a shill for big pharma and that they hate minorities, the elderly, and single mothers. For dems, you accuse them of supporting fraud and then you prosecute supporters of them who actually do. If you fail, you keep f$&king trying and trying and trying until you start winning. You do this through campaigns for office. You get a coalition of candidates running in house races. You create scoring metrics to label sitting congressmen and senators based on how much of the platform they support. Anyone below a certain score, you find someone in their district to run against them, left or right. Once you pick off a couple low-hanging fruit, the higher ups start paying attention. Snipe a big dog, and the little fish start falling in line.
You cannot think of fighting these issues as 2-4 year campaigns. These are generational issues. To beat the left, you must think and campaign like the left while being backed with facts and math on your side like the right. Use slow creeping inevitable driving pressure until the dam breaks and suddenly your ideas are so widely accepted that no one can believe that the idea was ever controversial in the past. If it takes 20, 30, 40, 50 years, it’s worth it, because every minute spent rolling the ball in the right direction is a minute kept from it swinging towards communism and ruin.
Anyone who resists, you label as a shill for big pharma and that they hate minorities, the elderly, and single mothers. For dems, you accuse them of supporting fraud and then you prosecute supporters of them who actually do. If you fail, you keep f$&king trying and trying and trying until you start winning. You do this through campaigns for office. You get a coalition of candidates running in house races. You create scoring metrics to label sitting congressmen and senators based on how much of the platform they support. Anyone below a certain score, you find someone in their district to run against them, left or right. Once you pick off a couple low-hanging fruit, the higher ups start paying attention. Snipe a big dog, and the little fish start falling in line.
You cannot think of fighting these issues as 2-4 year campaigns. These are generational issues. To beat the left, you must think and campaign like the left while being backed with facts and math on your side like the right. Use slow creeping inevitable driving pressure until the dam breaks and suddenly your ideas are so widely accepted that no one can believe that the idea was ever controversial in the past. If it takes 20, 30, 40, 50 years, it’s worth it, because every minute spent rolling the ball in the right direction is a minute kept from it swinging towards communism and ruin.
This post was edited on 7/31/20 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 7/31/20 at 2:06 pm to kingbob
You have more faith in the process than I do.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 2:06 pm to kingbob
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You campaign on the basis that the status quo doesn’t work, that the money is all about to run out
Because the average shithead will care about that.
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Start spamming twitter with bots using your hashtag and maybe pay a few influencers to retweet.
I’m sure that the leftists that control social media will allow this.
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Paint this as a bipartisan issue with both widespread public support on the left and right propped up by polling data. You can fake the polls if you want, reality matters not.
And I’m sure the mainstream media will be complicit in spreading this message.
Not trying to be a dick, your idea for a fix is solid but you also got to understand it will NEVER happen in the land of the real.
Flipping the entire god damn board is increasingly starting to seem like the only feasible path forward.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 2:08 pm to Big_Slim
The progs want you to flip the board. Can’t you see they’re taunting you? They want you checked out, demoralized, and hopeless. The last thing they want is for people to actually use the process against them. They want you too hopeless, feckless, and balless to try, you bunch of lazy cucks, you
Posted on 7/31/20 at 2:11 pm to troyt37
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f I were King, I would institute the smallest, most constitutionally grounded, least centralized federal government that this country has seen since the 1700's.
Even as president, I would fight for these things, but I would also know that I would prefer to fight those who would kill Americans on their soil, instead of ours. I would know that drug abuse and addiction isn't a victimless crime, with the children of the addict often being that victim. I would know that abortion is murder, just as it is considered when sea turtle or bald eagle eggs are involved. I would know that spending 20 billion dollars to build a physical barrier between the US and it's primary exporter of criminal illegals, can only be money well spent, when you consider the 20 billion or so stolen from the taxpayer every year to support those same criminal illegals.
Liberal democracy is obsolete you idiot.
By its very definition, it is mortally vulnerable, to be subverted from within by the TAKERS... the fricking marxists.
Look AROUND YOU.
This post was edited on 7/31/20 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 7/31/20 at 2:13 pm to Big_Slim
Do you have any idea how many times I was told ______ will NEVER HAPPEN on this board before it did? Get your head out of your own arse. The only things that are truly impossible are those which we are too scared to try and fight for. Wars aren’t won by killing the enemy. They’re won by convincing the enemy that you’re not worth the effort/risk of resisting. The “impossible” happens every day. For most on the right, “impossible” is just an excuse not to try, and to acquiesce to an ever-growing, intrusive, and expensive government at the expense of economic prosperity and individual liberty.
All change is impossible, then necessary, then inevitable, then unfathomable to imagine life without.
All change is impossible, then necessary, then inevitable, then unfathomable to imagine life without.
This post was edited on 7/31/20 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 7/31/20 at 2:15 pm to DeusVultMachina
You cannot buy influence or favors from a government lacking power to give them.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 2:17 pm to olemc999
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Trump is anti-left and pro America and that’s all I can really ask for right now.
He isn't.
But he has certainly opened my eyes up to the entire lie that most of the GOP is conservative as well.
I'll take his platform any day.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 2:26 pm to Caplewood
The traditional conservatives aren't adding anything new to the conversation. The real action is in the Libertarian spectrum.
The movement needs to focus behind: a return to Articles of Confederation with free city status for NYC, etc.
The movement needs to focus behind: a return to Articles of Confederation with free city status for NYC, etc.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 2:29 pm to jimbeam
quote:I agree. You may want to laugh at the leftists but they are getting everything they want and have more power over us than ever before.
The problem with conservatives is all they do is “Haha hey look at those crazy leftists. One they they’ll grow up (they won’t and haven’t). They’ll never get anything changed in the US (they have). We have the constitution (that they don’t care about using as was intended). They’ll never affect me (they will).”
Posted on 7/31/20 at 2:30 pm to troyt37
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You must be libertarian. Hate to tell you, but the only accomplishments libertarians can tout are instances where they have thwarted the republican/conservative agenda, by doing exactly what you accuse me of. And what's more is everyone with a higher than room temperature IQ knows this to be true. You aren't fooling anyone.
Umm...Libertarians accomplished a h3ll of lot more than that: Founding of America (T. Jefferson, James Madison, etc.), Grover Cleveland, Mises Institute, Inventing blockchain (Sakomato was def. a Libertarian), and creating such classics as South Park and King of the HIll.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 2:32 pm to jimbeam
Conservatives are at a disadvantage because they are inherently less political than progressives: they don't want to change human nature or engineer an egalitarian society. We laugh at loony leftists, but they're single-mindedly devoted to their ideas at the expense of everything else in their lives, that makes them more likely to "win"
Posted on 7/31/20 at 2:35 pm to RollTide4Ever
The GOP as a whole exists solely to be an opposition party. None of them care about conservative ideals or principles.
We vote them in because they are the alternative.
The left wants straight absolute power and they inch closer and closer to obtaining that.
The gop is happy to just be part of the country club regardless if they are bus boys and servers.
Trump winnin completely opened my eyes to the whole world of the GOP. I guarantee you a shite ton of GOP members in the house and senate want trump gone. They want to go back to the days of just being opposition and not having to actually implement or do something for their constituents.
They 100% believe once trump is gone everything will go back to normal. It's up to us the voters to make sure they doesn't happen. The left gives us a quick death - the gop gives us a slow painful death but we are essentially watching the doctors we voted for cut us open which is way worse.
We vote them in because they are the alternative.
The left wants straight absolute power and they inch closer and closer to obtaining that.
The gop is happy to just be part of the country club regardless if they are bus boys and servers.
Trump winnin completely opened my eyes to the whole world of the GOP. I guarantee you a shite ton of GOP members in the house and senate want trump gone. They want to go back to the days of just being opposition and not having to actually implement or do something for their constituents.
They 100% believe once trump is gone everything will go back to normal. It's up to us the voters to make sure they doesn't happen. The left gives us a quick death - the gop gives us a slow painful death but we are essentially watching the doctors we voted for cut us open which is way worse.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 2:42 pm to Mithridates6
Conservatives should start running as Democrats in select areas. I remember Bob Coker being challenged by a Democrat years back when the opponent was more conservative than he was. 
Posted on 7/31/20 at 2:44 pm to kingbob
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Do you have any idea how many times I was told ______ will NEVER HAPPEN on this board before it did? Get your head out of your own arse. The only things that are truly impossible are those which we are too scared to try and fight for. Wars aren’t won by killing the enemy. They’re won by convincing the enemy that you’re not worth the effort/risk of resisting. The “impossible” happens every day. For most on the right, “impossible” is just an excuse not to try, and to acquiesce to an ever-growing, intrusive, and expensive government at the expense of economic prosperity and individual liberty.
All change is impossible, then necessary, then inevitable, then unfathomable to imagine life without.
I mean this is a bunch of homosexual cringeworthy shite, but go on thinking you can fix the bottom up problems of a broken society with “voting and better political messaging!”
This post was edited on 7/31/20 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 7/31/20 at 2:52 pm to Big_Slim
And you can go on being a broke-dick blackpiller stocking ammunition and masterbating for the apocalypse in your home-made bunker while praying for the day you can commit mass-murder of brown people in the name of some “Revolution” while reminiscing on the good ole days.
Your defeatism is a crutch. You wear your edgy nihilism like armor around your ego. You are so afraid of failure that you convince yourself that improvement is impossible to excuse yourself from not even f$&king trying. What do you have to gain from the black pill? If everything is hopeless, why do you bother discussing policy, voting, or participating in society at all? The black pill is for losers. Get off your loser arse and fight for America you cantankerous son of a b$&?h! If you care so strongly, write some letters, join your local PEC, author op-eds, campaign door to door, get involved at the local level, expose corruption. I guarantee you. You have far more power than you know. America is not beyond redemption and neither are you. Throw away the black pill and take up the red!
Your defeatism is a crutch. You wear your edgy nihilism like armor around your ego. You are so afraid of failure that you convince yourself that improvement is impossible to excuse yourself from not even f$&king trying. What do you have to gain from the black pill? If everything is hopeless, why do you bother discussing policy, voting, or participating in society at all? The black pill is for losers. Get off your loser arse and fight for America you cantankerous son of a b$&?h! If you care so strongly, write some letters, join your local PEC, author op-eds, campaign door to door, get involved at the local level, expose corruption. I guarantee you. You have far more power than you know. America is not beyond redemption and neither are you. Throw away the black pill and take up the red!
This post was edited on 7/31/20 at 2:59 pm
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