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re: Am I the only one worried there actually is no solution?

Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:07 am to
Posted by Clames
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Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:07 am to
When you parroted the MSM narrative. There is no epidemic, get that through your skull.
Posted by Terrific Tales
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:08 am to
The point is it’s not a media created narrative that these shootings are making people feel unsafe. I understand that is exactly what the shooter wants but it’s basic human nature. I was literally just using my grandmother as an example.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:08 am to

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Whether overall gun violence has dropped has no bearing on the deterioration of public safety. Random people getting shot for being at a store, or a club, or god forbid a school is not the same as Ricky getting mad at Joe and pulling a gun on him.
This is silly. No offense. But it is. You're two orders of magnitude more like to be killed in a car accident than killed with a firearm. The numbers are even further apart if you aren't a gang member, a drug dealer, and you aren't cheating on a spouse.

The most dangerous thing you do every day is get into your car. It's not even close.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
18873 posts
Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:10 am to
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The point is it’s not a media created narrative


Then you are wholly unaware of what the media has been doing on this topic for 30+ years.
Posted by Terrific Tales
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:10 am to
Right, but car accidents aren’t hate crimes and don’t carry the mass fear and hysteria of shootings. This is a dumb comparison. People will always be more afraid of guns than cars because they feel like they control the car whereas they can’t control whether they get shot.
Posted by Terrific Tales
Member since Jan 2019
19919 posts
Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:11 am to
Stop taking my quotes out of context. You aren’t cool for these dumb one liners.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
18873 posts
Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:14 am to
I'm doing no such thing. I simply know vastly more than you do here.
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:14 am to
I think we are seeing the culmination of 20+ years of decline. Technology has altered our society in ways we are only starting to become aware of.

When I was in my late teens/early twenties, we didn't have cell phones, the internet or social media. PC's were just beginning to make inroads into business. If you wanted to take photo's or video, it was much more expensive and the barriers to entry were high.

Technology has changed us. I'm not in any way advocating we go back to doing math on an abacus, but I think if we're going to make things better, we have to begin by acknowledging there is a problem.

Technology is breading loners at a much greater pace than in the past. It is causing kids to grow up without deep personal interactions. When we don't really care about the person next to us, it's easier to pull the trigger.

We have too many people growing up without coping mechanisms and personal relationships that give value to our lives.

I have no idea what the answer is, but I think I see the problem.
Posted by UcobiaA
The Gump
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:15 am to
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We desperately need a change on the definition of mass-shootings. I don’t mean to downplay the severity of three people getting shot but it’s not a mass shooting.


Definitely agree with that. Even beyond the numbers intent should maybe be figured in somehow. Killing four guys breaking into your house isn't the same as shooting up a mall full of strangers.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62563 posts
Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:17 am to
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People will always be more afraid of guns than cars because they feel like they control the car whereas they can’t control whether they get shot.
So we need a solution to people being irrational? And when you say "people" please dont' include me or other people with the ability to think rationally and objectively.

As for "solutions"... being ruled by irrational non-objective feelings isn't a solution to anything. It's a problem.
Posted by Terrific Tales
Member since Jan 2019
19919 posts
Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:17 am to
13 of the 27 most deadly shootings since 1949 happened in the last decade.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62563 posts
Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:19 am to
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13 of the 27 most deadly shootings since 1949 happened in the last decade.
We already knew you don’t understand statists significance.
Posted by Friedbrie
Abita Springs
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:20 am to
quote:

Technology is breading loners at a much greater pace than in the past. It is causing kids to grow up without deep personal interactions. When we don't really care about the person next to us, it's easier to pull the trigger. 

We have too many people growing up without coping mechanisms and personal relationships that give value to our lives. 

I have no idea what the answer is, but I think I see the problem.


Man, I wrote a post similar to this earlier. I think your right. It's like this alternative culture has grown around social media for people who mostly establish relationships via the Internet-social media, which aren't really genuine relationships at all, at least in the traditional sense.
Posted by Terrific Tales
Member since Jan 2019
19919 posts
Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:21 am to
In what way is that stat not significant? And of those 13, 10 have happened in the past 5 years.

That is 10, out of the 27 most deadly shootings since 1949, in the past 5 years. If you don’t consider that a problem I don’t know what to say.
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
19227 posts
Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:21 am to
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Can you post any statistics to support this assertion that we are in the middle of an "epidemic"?


I think it's fair to say we're in an epidemic of these types of shootings, but overall gun violence is down significantly since the 90's.
Posted by Terrific Tales
Member since Jan 2019
19919 posts
Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:23 am to
It’s irrational to be more fearful of things outside of your control than in your control? Jeez that’s news to me.
Posted by memphisplaya
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:32 am to
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Am I the only one worried there actually is no solution?



learn to defend yourself. Learn to use a gun, practice, and never be a victim. Instead of hiding behind that display. Shoot the MF shooting at you
Posted by Terrific Tales
Member since Jan 2019
19919 posts
Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:36 am to
Interesting but I don’t think you would ever convince certain people to carry one and you would definitely never convince certain people to learn to use one.

I wonder if anyone had a gun in that Walmart today and just didn’t shoot. Guess we will never know.
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
85287 posts
Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:38 am to
Wait? You mean it’s likely that we lack the capacity to eradicate human evil? That no matter what steps we take there will always be malevolent forces among us? That human nature itself ensures this ?

Hmmmmm.....
Posted by xiv
Parody. #AdminsRule
Member since Feb 2004
39508 posts
Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:41 am to
I know this won’t be popular, but cutting off everyone’s hands and feet would pretty much solve the problem.
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