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re: Allison Mack was sex trafficking children

Posted on 4/24/18 at 12:13 am to
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
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Posted on 4/24/18 at 12:13 am to
Something to note-

At one point, Mack was cross promoting a different cult leader, Marina Abramovic, of “spirit cooking” infamy.

Abramovic’s rituals apparently have included children, such as one pictured before involving Lady Gaga.

Not that there is proof that the children in that ritual were abused by anything other than bad taste, but I find it curious that a number of the people whose names came up in association with “pizzagate” appear to be popping back up through other connections.
Posted by pcolatiger28
Pensacola, Fl
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:32 am to
Sentrius, I almost feel like you're trying to possibly minimize this heinous act. Whether the kid is 5 or 10, they are still innocent freaking kids and there should be no difference. Why does this need more clarity, it's all sick and needs to be killed with fire.
Posted by Tiger in NY
Neptune Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:36 am to
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Sentrius


Why, in your mind, is there a difference between Hebephilia and Pedophilia? Do you think a 13 year old has a "choice"?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:37 am to
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Are we talking 11-12 year olds going through puberty or full-blown toddlers that are barely toilet trained?

or 16-17 year olds, which is what i'd guess

it may be the children of some women in the cult, too
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:39 am to
quote:

Sentrius, I almost feel like you're trying to possibly minimize this heinous act. Whether the kid is 5 or 10, they are still innocent freaking kids and there should be no difference

it may not be "kids" at all. it may be 17 year olds who are just under a magical, legal line

this case is really screwy. it seems like a garden variety cult by the early reports
Posted by Tiger in NY
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:40 am to
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or 16-17 year olds, which is what i'd guess


The 2 witnesses against Raniere were 12 and 15 when he had sex with them. They also run a place called "Rainbow Gardens Children Center". So there's that. This is going to open a huge rabbit hole.

There is a Senator whos dad is their lobbyist, and the 2 Seagram daughters (Bronfman) put a key logger on their dad's computer and caught all kinds of correspondence with Hillary and others.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:42 am to
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This is going to open a huge rabbit hole.

if he was actually having sex with 12 year olds, not really

it's going to be pretty simple

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and the 2 Seagram daughters (Bronfman) put a key logger on their dad's computer and caught all kinds of correspondence with Hillary and others.

now that may be fun
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:43 am to


As mentioned in the Gillibrand thread, this helps put into perspective the kinds of offers Gillibrand used to make to Trump when trying to get donations for the NY state Dems.
Posted by Tiger in NY
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:44 am to
That was the rabbit hole I meant. I can almost guarantee that Chuck Schumer will come up too.
This post was edited on 4/24/18 at 8:45 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:45 am to
sorry. i don't know much about this case b/c i figured it would piss me off

the initial reports came off as fedgov using a new, over broad "sex trafficking" statute to attack a normal cult
Posted by Tiger in NY
Neptune Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2003
31586 posts
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:48 am to
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the initial reports came off as fedgov using a new, over broad "sex trafficking" statute to attack a normal cult


Yep, that's the cover. Media Matters America does not want this out, so the CNN/NBC group is staying away. I have a feeling this guy's "Executive Seminars" were nothing more than a chance for people involved (such as Richard Branson) to screw the NXIVM girls at $10k a pop.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:49 am to
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These photos are fakes.


He got all excited by those photoshops.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:51 am to
that's an interesting angle
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:51 am to
The general info for a while now had been that this was a sex slave cult under the guise of “executive training” classes, with Mack and Kristen Kreuk of Smallville both being involved.

The charges have now expanded that story a bit, with other D list Hollywood actresses being involved and the first rumblings of underaged sex slaves, along with the names of various politicians and heiresses being connected.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:54 am to
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sex slave cult

well my problem with this prosecution center on just this. cults are not, and should not, be illegal

it's a general disdain for the new moral panic, "sex trafficking" which requires many logical leaps i refuse to believe in

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and the first rumblings of underaged sex slaves

now this...this would be a problem
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103982 posts
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:55 am to
The cult is overly litigious and controlling, amongst other things.

It’s like Scientology if members were given a quota of new sex slaves to recruit for the elders of the group.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
22061 posts
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:55 am to
quote:

it may not be "kids" at all. it may be 17 year olds who are just under a magical, legal line this case is really screwy. it seems like a garden variety cult by the early reports


Hell yes. Sex slave trafficking should be legal, especially if the slaves are age of consent.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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476634 posts
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:58 am to
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Sex slave trafficking should be legal, especially if the slaves are age of consent.

the problem is how you define "slave"

it's going to require a lot of nanny state-esque dissolution of an adult's right to consent and make their own decisions

that's the problem i have
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
42331 posts
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:58 am to
I would want to bang fresh off the bus 17y olds with Allison Mavk
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
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60918 posts
Posted on 4/24/18 at 9:02 am to
The irony is that Chloe is on her own wall of weird and may be the investigative key to bringing down the entire US government
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