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All you half-baked Libertarians defending Massie, I have two words for you "Justin Amash"
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:12 pm
He certainly was both principled and conservative, right up until it came to China, wasn't he? Funny how he couldn't pull that trigger on helping his fellow Americans, because his principles somehow aligned with his very own wallet. Now, how 'bout that?
In fact, his personal financial interests outweighed his conservative core principles, that he left the conservative party, and voted to impeach that party's president. And recently said "trade wars are bad. Nobody wins." I think the U.S. has clearly been winning, against Amash's best efforts. Funny how he wanted to profit from China, but didn't want me to profit from pulling out of China? And here we are just months later, and look at how that support of China appears now? Let's not even get into him wanting to give illegals the right to vote.
And speaking of China, Massey was the lone vote in all of the House to support China during the Hong Kong protests.
That certainly didn't age well. Also, who did Massie vote for to be Speaker of the House? None other than former Republican, and vote caster to impeach the president of the very political party that he wanted to lead, Justin Amash.
The very definition of being a "representative" means you vote in the best interest of those thousands of your neighbors that cannot go to Washington to cast their own vote. You are sent to DC, on their behalf, not your own. These two are no different than Mittens, at this point.
In fact, his personal financial interests outweighed his conservative core principles, that he left the conservative party, and voted to impeach that party's president. And recently said "trade wars are bad. Nobody wins." I think the U.S. has clearly been winning, against Amash's best efforts. Funny how he wanted to profit from China, but didn't want me to profit from pulling out of China? And here we are just months later, and look at how that support of China appears now? Let's not even get into him wanting to give illegals the right to vote.
And speaking of China, Massey was the lone vote in all of the House to support China during the Hong Kong protests.
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“When our government meddles in the internal affairs of foreign countries, it invites those governments to meddle in our affairs,” Massie wrote on Twitter
That certainly didn't age well. Also, who did Massie vote for to be Speaker of the House? None other than former Republican, and vote caster to impeach the president of the very political party that he wanted to lead, Justin Amash.
The very definition of being a "representative" means you vote in the best interest of those thousands of your neighbors that cannot go to Washington to cast their own vote. You are sent to DC, on their behalf, not your own. These two are no different than Mittens, at this point.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:13 pm to League Champs
Didn't age well??? How in the frick is he wrong??
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:23 pm to lsu777
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How in the frick is he wrong??
Not standing up to China means our medicines are at their mercy. And they have threatened to withhold them. Massie would not have imposed a travel ban on them. And our economy would be already be in a depression, if there hadn't been so many gains since the trade war kicked in.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:25 pm to lsu777
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Didn't age well??? How in the frick is he wrong??
Because other countries already meddle in US affairs and always have done so. This is a moronic statement by him that ignores historical fact. No matter your views on his current thoughts on the stimulus bill, this was a dumb statement by him.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:51 pm to League Champs
Massie opposes almost all forms of government spending, unnecessary wars and the surveillance state. He's better than any Chamber of Commerce RINO the Republicans want.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:57 pm to League Champs
All libertarians are not the same, just as all actions are not the same. Amash did some good, until he didn’t.
The two situations aren’t remotely the same
The two situations aren’t remotely the same
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:57 pm to League Champs
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These two are no different than Mittens, at this point.
Massie voted against impeachment and consistently votes against the interests of the very entities that want Trump removed from office. The Ron Paul crowd has been railing against the Deep State when the same Trump supporters on this board were calling us kooks and reflexively supporting anything and everything told to them by the intelligence community. Mitt Romney voted for removing President Trump based on hearsay three times removed and has consistently supported expanding government at every level of government he's ever been in.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 1:08 pm to SCLibertarian
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calling us kooks and reflexively supporting anything and everything told to them by the intelligence community
The topic is Amash, and Massie's, and your support of a guy that was fake. Complete and total fake. And you guys wanted him to be Speaker, and President.
Trump got into his pocketbook, and he couldn't step on his principled dick enough, just to be a vote against Trump. So if a guy can do that because of greed, then he was never principled in the first place.
Massie needs to vote for his people. Not just be the clown that drives a Tesla with a "save coal" sticker on it.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 1:11 pm to League Champs
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The topic is Amash, and Massie's, and your support of a guy that was fake. Complete and total fake. And you guys wanted him to be Speaker, and President.
As opposed to John Boehner, who is also a total fake. But you never hate on him. Only the libertarian faction.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 1:17 pm to League Champs
So, who is your political hero? I can promise you they've voted for pork and their own interests too. It's hilarious to me that people will point at one or two stances the libertarians make and completely excuse the rest of the Republicans for the disasters they are.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 1:18 pm to League Champs
Massie's on Limbaugh show first segment of third hour.
ETA: pitching his website, of course.
ETA: pitching his website, of course.
This post was edited on 3/27/20 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 3/27/20 at 1:21 pm to Jcorye1
Because Republicans are still infected with the neocon bug. The libertarians want small government, a non-interventionist foreign policy and no surveillance state. There is a significant group of Trump supporters on this board who would vote for Biden or Hillary before they would Rand Paul or Thomas Massie. They may not admit it outright, but they would.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 1:46 pm to SCLibertarian
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There is a significant group of Trump supporters on this board who would vote for Biden or Hillary before they would Rand Paul or Thomas Massie. They may not admit it outright, but they would
Name one
just anyone you might suspect -
go ahead.
my problem with 'libertarians' is that many choose their times to be principled.
Like it or not - the great divide in American politics is either DEMs win or GOP wins.
DEMs oppose almost everything that a 'libertarian' stands for.
GOP support at least 90 % of what 'libertarians' stand for.
The gulf between DEM and GOP at this moment (for the last 3 decades) is vast and deep and recognizable to anyone who cares.
The future of the nation does no rest on the beliefs of a couple dozen 'libertarians' - it rests on whichever side the see-saw comes down between DEMs and GOP.
For a 'libertarian' to rise up and try to help defeat a GOP supported national interest absolute necessity because of some adherence to 'honored rules and stipulations' in the constitution is to treat the constitution as a suicide pact.
The constitution was written for a moral and religious people - people who would have the good sense to protect the nation when the time came - not to watch it sink while grasping the document that failed to provide precise instructions for a national emergency that was not going to happen for another 250 years.
bullshite on that.
AND - if you are so dedicated to LIBERTARIAN 'principles' the goddammit - RUN AS A LIBERTARIA!!! don't run as a GOP - that party is filled with people who want to represent their constitutants.
IF your constituency elects you to STAND ON LIBERTARIAN 'principles' regardless of the immediate outcome of some piece of legislation - then you have my blessings.
BUT when you run as a GOP - most of your constituents are really wanting you to help prevent the DEMOCRATs from destryone the nation.
Represent THEM - not you little cabal of 'purists.'
SCREW people like massive and smash - SCREW EM
Posted on 3/27/20 at 1:47 pm to League Champs
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And our economy would be already be in a depression, if there hadn't been so many gains since the trade war kicked in.
lmao wow
Posted on 3/27/20 at 1:54 pm to ChineseBandit58
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Name one
just anyone you might suspect -
Exhibit A
Posted on 3/27/20 at 1:57 pm to SCLibertarian
[quote]Exhibit A[/quote
You'd vote for Hillary or Biden instead of Rand Paul??
well of course you would
You'd vote for Hillary or Biden instead of Rand Paul??
well of course you would
Posted on 3/27/20 at 1:58 pm to League Champs
Libertarians are cringe and retarded
Posted on 3/27/20 at 1:58 pm to ChineseBandit58
I was referring to you. Hell would freeze over before I voted for a Democrat.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 2:19 pm to SCLibertarian
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Because Republicans are still infected with the neocon bug. The libertarians want small government, a non-interventionist foreign policy and no surveillance state. There is a significant group of Trump supporters on this board who would vote for Biden or Hillary before they would Rand Paul or Thomas Massie. They may not admit it outright, but they would.
Agree with everything you said.
Glad you excluded Amash when he supported FISA abuse that took the cake. He is no libertarian he’s an extremely bitter politician like the rest in the beltway.
Posted on 3/28/20 at 1:03 pm to Caplewood
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This post was edited on 5/26/23 at 1:07 pm
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