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re: All the talk on Roe V. Wade
Posted on 7/14/18 at 2:51 pm to AggieHank86
Posted on 7/14/18 at 2:51 pm to AggieHank86
Aggiehank, reading your posts, I just don’t see you as a Cruz guy. You and him don’t agree at all on abortion
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Posted on 7/14/18 at 2:51 pm to Perfect Circle
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You are totally discounting personal responsibility.
We can't be an equal society when all women are FORCED to have babies. That's not equal at all. Enjoy never having a baby but don't try to tell a woman when she must have one. You sit in the corner and think about being less self righteous in the meantime.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 2:53 pm to Dale51
quote:Whether a biological entity is a “life.” No, that is neither legal nor philosophical. It is pretty basic biology.quote:Thats nice. An existing human life is neither philosophical nor legal.
It is a legal/philosophical analysis ... and a rather good one
What rights that entity has and when they accrue? Those questions are INHERENTLY both philosophical and legal. Otherwise, toddlers could buy alcohol and teenagers could run for POTUS.
This post was edited on 7/14/18 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 7/14/18 at 2:54 pm to Dale51
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What are the options for the father?
That's the point. Sit down, shut up and enjoy never having to be pregnant and all the advantages that affords you in this dog eat dog world we live in.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 2:55 pm to AggieHank86
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I do not think you understand irony very well.
Naw, I think you don't understand for "her convenience" it's a fetus in one example and a baby in the other example.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 2:55 pm to Perfect Circle
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sex is designed to be for married heterosexuals.
A large percentage of the human population and the entirety of the animal kingdom disagrees with you on that point
Posted on 7/14/18 at 2:55 pm to Ole Messcort
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Ole Messcort
Gonna come back to your thread buddy?
Posted on 7/14/18 at 2:59 pm to Joshjrn
quote:Again, you are arguing “continuum” with someone who understands only “binary.”
If a zygote has less than full personhood, it might mean that a woman has the right to refuse to nourish said zygote. If the zygote has full personhood, she might not have the right to make that choice.
You may as well try to explain physics ro your Labradoodle.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:03 pm to beerJeep
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Gonna come back to your thread buddy?
Which one do you miss me in? I am kinda enjoying two posters in this thread currently. They have brains and aren't Trumpster zombies. It's refreshing.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:03 pm to AggieHank86
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Does it have the “something” that separates “people” from other animals? Nope, not yet. It is not self-aware.
So now the criteria is "self awareness"? Do I have that correct?
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:03 pm to AggieHank86
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Again, you are arguing “continuum” with someone who understands only “binary.”
You may as well try to explain physics ro your Labradoodle.
It's a lovely Saturday on my porch. Burning a little time on TD isn't going to hurt anything
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:04 pm to omegaman66
quote:Neither Josh nor I is arguing any of these points.
I have made this same argument for decades. It is alive, it has different dna than the mother or the father, its dna is the same as it will have when he/she is 20 years old. It does look like a human, just not a grown human. It looks exactly like we all looked when we were 1 minute old.
To stop the pregnancy it is scientific fact that you must kill an organism (we are all organisms) with human dna, that is alive.
The next step in the analysis is where we differ. You assert that these facts AUTOMATICALLY give rise to legal rights and that those rights AUTOMATICALLY exceed those of the mother.
Josh and I disagree that those facts alone give rise to legal rights exceeding those of the mother.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:06 pm to Joshjrn
"A large percentage..." That's debatable.
Are we just animals, then? There is something that separates us from animals, no?
Are we just animals, then? There is something that separates us from animals, no?
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:08 pm to Perfect Circle
quote:Remember my earlier point about 20:1? Here is one of the twenty.
sex is designed to be for married heterosexuals.
Every mammalian species on the planet engages in sex. Is your dog married? 20:1
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:08 pm to Joshjrn
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I never once argued that individuals that lack full personhood are expendable.
Maybe I misunderstood your comment?? Possible. Let's see.
Here it is.
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No personhood argument, no care.
This was in context to the "expending" a human life via
abortion..or nah?
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:09 pm to omegaman66
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To stop the pregnancy it is scientific fact that you must kill an organism (we are all organisms) with human dna, that is alive.
You're dealing with science deniers. No different than holocaust deniers, I've heard.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:09 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:Cruz is too SoCon for me, but he is right on Constitutional interpretation.
Aggiehank, reading your posts, I just don’t see you as a Cruz guy. You and him don’t agree at all on abortion
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:11 pm to Ole Messcort
No one is forcing ANYONE to have babies.
The purpose of sex, in nature, is to have babies. If you don't want babies, don't have sex...simple, right? Or in the very least, if you MUST fornicate, use protection. At least that way, you're not heaping sin upon sin.
The purpose of sex, in nature, is to have babies. If you don't want babies, don't have sex...simple, right? Or in the very least, if you MUST fornicate, use protection. At least that way, you're not heaping sin upon sin.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:13 pm to Ole Messcort
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To force all women to have babies makes society unequal between men and women.
Sorry but men and women will never be equal. It might be unfair for you to not be able to bare children, just because you male. Oh well deal with it.
There are lots of differences between men and women. Yall can do everything in your power to convince yourselves this is wrong but it isn't. It is just the way it is suppose to be.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:14 pm to Ole Messcort
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We can't be an equal society when all women are FORCED to have babies.
This is just dumb. Don't want ato get pregnant, use birth control, or don't have sex. You make women sound weak and helpless, but, in context to your "reasoning" we can't have an equal society if the father doesn't have equal say in the decision. Don't you agree??
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