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re: All is not well in China Markets

Posted on 4/15/25 at 12:36 pm to
Posted by TigerMan327
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Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 4/15/25 at 12:36 pm to
His chart shows two different survey.

One expects 0.5% growth and one expects 1.5% growth.

His statement says we will get zero growth. Any one else confused or just me?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298893 posts
Posted on 4/15/25 at 12:37 pm to
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Neither Chinese authorities, Boeing nor the White House immediately responded to CNN requests for comment on the report, ?although President Donald Trump said in a social media post Tuesday that China “just reneged on the big Boeing deal, saying that they will ‘not take possession’ of fully committed to aircraft.”


Which is exactly what Trump did with USAID payments.

Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 4/15/25 at 12:46 pm to
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China doesn’t care about its citizens. China killed 3-4 million people during the communist land reform after taking over in the late 40s. They killed another couple of a million more suppressing “counterrevolutionaries in the early 50s. 2 million more died in the late 50s during the Anti-Rightist Campaign. They starved about 50 million people during the Great Leap Forward, and beat or tortured to death another 3 million suppressing the population at the same time. Ten thousand died in 1989 Tiananmen Square protest. China has detained more than one million Uyghurs against their will over the past few years in a large network of what the state calls "re-education camps". During Covid, China locked thousands in their apartments facing starvation.


One of those is not like the others.

I can't argue with any group corralling and containing Muslims without a much deeper dive into the issues around the containment.
Posted by Lynxrufus2012
Central Kentucky
Member since Mar 2020
19802 posts
Posted on 4/15/25 at 12:52 pm to
The drug dealer is not blameless. China has stolen intellectual property, uses slave labor to produce products, has flooded the market with substandard bolts,fasteners and other steel products in addition to unfair trade practices.

And never forget Covid. A product of the Wuhan lab.

You can blame greedy corporations that moved manufacturing there. You can blame previous administrations, but the ones we can do something about now are the Chinese.
Posted by Hitman67
Lumberton, TX
Member since Jul 2024
293 posts
Posted on 4/15/25 at 12:56 pm to
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China just halted Boeing deliveries. Planes that are already built. Costing us billions. China is a huge importer of those planes. Trump is getting hosed. Please don’t try to blame this on anyone else. Everyone knows who started this shite with 100% tariffs and the dumbest rhetoric ever. Should have done it like an adult. This is so much worst than the deep state.


Lol, you are a piece of work aren't you? The problem is Trump is the fist adult ever to have the balls to do this. When someone is used to screwing you, you can't just have a normal "adult" conversation with them as you put it. You have to show them you mean business. I'm guessing you are the type that thinks he can talk yourself out of a bar room brawl huh? Go ahead an tell me, how many times have you had that arse beat?
Posted by eddieray
Lafayette
Member since Mar 2006
19440 posts
Posted on 4/15/25 at 12:59 pm to
That’s not at all what I understood. Why is their stock way down right now?
This post was edited on 4/15/25 at 1:00 pm
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
5264 posts
Posted on 4/15/25 at 12:59 pm to
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Everyone knows who started this shite with 100% tariffs


Are you sure that Trump started this? Are you 100% certain that China has been fair in its financial dealings with the US?
Posted by eddieray
Lafayette
Member since Mar 2006
19440 posts
Posted on 4/15/25 at 1:00 pm to
Yes, im sure
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55427 posts
Posted on 4/15/25 at 1:00 pm to
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So do we. Mainly the "too big to fail."

We're currently shitting all over small business.

Ridiculous comparison.These are two entirely different things…both bad. Our big businesses are getting too cozy with government protection, but it's mainly protection from failing due to gambles that are often mandated by the government, such as the sub-prime mortgages. What China is doing is subsidizing businesses to sell under cost in order to run international competition out of business and have a near monopoly.

Small businesses are certainly hurt by America’s insuring of some large businesses, but it represents a small part of our market, so I refute your contention that “we” are currently shitting all over small businesses. This and regulatory complexity could improve the outlook for American small businesses, but it is currently still very good.
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
47791 posts
Posted on 4/15/25 at 1:02 pm to
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Lot of words to say “two more weeks” I’m getting tired of feeling like a bull chasing a red cape…


Sometimes, methodical is best

China has been doing this for years
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55427 posts
Posted on 4/15/25 at 1:05 pm to
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Which is exactly what Trump did with USAID payments.


bullshite! Reneging on “fully committed” charitable gifts is not the same as reneging on a quid pro quo deal.
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
5264 posts
Posted on 4/15/25 at 1:06 pm to
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Yes, im sure


What if I told you that China has long been stealing intellectual property from its trading partners, including the US? Did Trump start that?

Egregious Cases of Chinese Theft of
American Intellectual Property


Chinese hackers took trillions in intellectual property from about 30 multinational companies

Industrial espionage: How China sneaks out America's technology secrets

Watch Out for Physical Sabotage by Chinese Spies in the U.S. | Opinion
This post was edited on 4/15/25 at 1:24 pm
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
5264 posts
Posted on 4/15/25 at 1:11 pm to
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Yes, im sure


What if I told you that the Chinese govt has defaulted on almost $1 trillion dollars of debt owed to US interests? Is that Trump's fault?

China Is in Default on a Trillion Dollars in Debt to U.S. Bondholders. Will the U.S. Force Repayment? | The Heritage Foundation

Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
5264 posts
Posted on 4/15/25 at 1:12 pm to
delete, repeat post
This post was edited on 4/15/25 at 1:13 pm
Posted by GoldenGuy
Member since Oct 2015
12782 posts
Posted on 4/15/25 at 1:22 pm to
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JINDAL


You’re riding the line of triggering everyone’s PTSD
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
5264 posts
Posted on 4/15/25 at 1:23 pm to
What if I told you that China has been manipulating its currency for decades to benefit its domestic industry and simultaneously damage the industries of its trading partners?

How does China manipulate its currency?

The new mercantilism: Tariffs and currency manipulation in an era of U.S.-China tensions

Understanding
China’s Currency
Manipulation
This post was edited on 4/15/25 at 1:28 pm
Posted by The Baker
This is fine.
Member since Dec 2011
20214 posts
Posted on 4/15/25 at 1:26 pm to
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if China's selling of Treasuries persists, sending yields plunging.


Hmm.

That’s a typo?
This post was edited on 4/15/25 at 1:28 pm
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
5264 posts
Posted on 4/15/25 at 1:33 pm to
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Yes, im sure


What if I told you that China's government is a leader in the practice of subsidizing its domestic industries to increase exports and decrease imports, once again helping its own industry at the expense of its trading partners? Is that Trump's fault? Did he start that?

Trade Implications of China's Subsidies

Are you still there Eddie? Still sure?

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298893 posts
Posted on 4/15/25 at 1:40 pm to
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bullshite! Reneging on “fully committed” charitable gifts


Were we committed? Yes or no.
Posted by onepiecemayne
Member since Nov 2023
1216 posts
Posted on 4/15/25 at 1:44 pm to
The government and oligarchs hallowed out our middle class. Shipped our jobs to China, not for diplomacy, not for peace but to exploit cheap labor. Crushed our working class and told us to be proud while they sold our future for profit.

China made money but what did they use it for. They used it to build roads, lift millions out of poverty, fund healthcare, raised living standards, and reinvested into their people.

What did the U.S. oligarchs do with all the money they made? Buy more yachts, doge taxes, manipulate the markets, pour billions into endless wars.

We ended up with stagnant wages, crippling healthcare costs, and mediocre infrastructure while they picketed our pockets.

China and the U.S. benefited from trading with each other but they used their money to build, not us.. we got sold out and now they got us blaming China.
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