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re: Alex Jones loses lawsuits against Sandy Hook families.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 3:25 pm to SCLibertarian
Posted on 10/1/21 at 3:25 pm to SCLibertarian
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I don't care how outrageous his views are. Calling Sandy Hook a hoax is clearly a political statement and Jones should be immune from civil liability.
I bet you would feel different if you had been harangued by Jones as you were trying to grieve and bury your kindergarteners shot up dead body.
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Posted on 10/1/21 at 3:26 pm to Azkiger
quote:Given that he has admitted that he is only playing a character, he was lying and never actually believed any of it.
Was he lying or just mistaken? Not defending his claims, but there is an important distinction here.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 3:31 pm to AndyCBR
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I bet you would feel different if you had been harangued by Jones as you were trying to grieve and bury your kindergarteners shot up dead body.
Sure, let's live in a society dominated by a base emotional response instead of the rule of law.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 3:31 pm to au4you
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Given that he has admitted that he is only playing a character, he was lying and never actually believed any of it.
That's his legal defense, yes. Do you think he really believes that?
I don't.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 3:33 pm to AndyCBR
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I bet you would feel different if you had been harangued by Jones as you were trying to grieve and bury your kindergarteners shot up dead body.
Absolutely, but our legal system doesn't operate on how people feel. And that's a good thing.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 3:34 pm to au4you
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He absolutely was immune from civil liability for making political statements, then he took it to the level of outright harassment.
He lost the case by default for failing to comply with discovery, not because a jury found him liable or responsible for harassment. And the Supreme Court's 2011 holding in the Westboro Baptist case is good precedent for Jones in his appeals.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 3:36 pm to Azkiger
quote:Have you seen the man? Dude is essentially a pro wrestler. Why would anyone take him seriously?
That's his legal defense, yes. Do you think he really believes that? I don't.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 3:40 pm to au4you
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Have you seen the man? Dude is essentially a pro wrestler. Why would anyone take him seriously?
That's the logic you used to determine whether or not Alex actually believes the things he says? He reminds you of a pro-wrestler?
That's weak shite.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 3:42 pm to Azkiger
quote:He’s an entertainer that’s gotten a bunch of mouth breathers to believe what he says and has made a bunch of money in the process. You think the mega church preacher who is sleeping with whores and doing blow actually believes what he’s preaching?
That's the logic you used to determine whether or not Alex actually believes the things he says? He reminds you of a pro-wrestler? That's weak shite.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 3:47 pm to AndyCBR
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The guy can go to hell as far as I am concerned
Melt for me baw
Posted on 10/1/21 at 3:52 pm to Vegas Eddie
quote:Hell yeah dude. Get his arse.
Melt for me baw
Posted on 10/1/21 at 3:52 pm to au4you
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He’s an entertainer that’s gotten a bunch of mouth breathers to believe what he says and has made a bunch of money in the process. You think the mega church preacher who is sleeping with whores and doing blow actually believes what he’s preaching?
I don't think that someone profiting from the things they say is itself evidence that they don't believe the things they say.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 4:05 pm to Azkiger
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Absolutely, but our legal system doesn't operate on how people feel. And that's a good thing.
The guy ran his mouth, caused damage to others, and now he has to pay the consequences.
Pretty simple really.
Conflating his actions as some type of free speech issue is stupid. He knowingly attempted to cause harm using his words.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 4:12 pm to AndyCBR
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He knowingly attempted to cause harm using his words.
Jesus Christ do you hear yourself? The 1st Amendment would be dead if you had your way.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 4:15 pm to SCLibertarian
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Jesus Christ do you hear yourself? The 1st Amendment would be dead if you had your way.
WTF are you babbling about?
He was free to say what he wanted and they were free to sue him for it.
Ever heard of slander, libel, pain and suffering?
It's not a free speech issue when you are held to account for damages.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 4:18 pm to Eurocat
Jones is human debris.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 4:20 pm to AndyCBR
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Ever heard of slander, libel, pain and suffering?
He expressed an opinion dipshit. Political opinions are generally immune from defamation suits, as they aren't statements of fact. And the United States Supreme Court held in Snyder vs. Phelps (by an 8-1 margin) that offensive, extreme and outrageous political statements cannot form the basis for civil liability for the torts of outrage and intentional infliction of emotional distress.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 4:38 pm to SCLibertarian
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He expressed an opinion dipshit.
No, dipshit, he maliciously attacked those Sandy Hook parents using his words and actions.
That is not "expressing an opinion".
I'm as right-wing, conservative, and liberty-loving as they come but Jones was wrong and should have to pay the consequences for his actions.
Pick a better champion for your argument next time instead of a turd like Jones.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 4:41 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
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Nah fam, he got this wrong 100%.
Hey dumb shite, I said they’ll crucify you for the 5% of the time you’re wrong. I didn’t say he wasn’t wrong about this particular incident. Learn to read.
This post was edited on 10/1/21 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 10/1/21 at 4:44 pm to AndyCBR
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maliciously attacked those Sandy Hook parents
I think you need to look up “maliciously” and “attacked” in the dictionary.
He was incorrect about what he said, but he didn’t attack anyone.
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