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re: AI and the job market 5 years from now

Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:42 am to
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
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Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:42 am to
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AI isnt really AI. It is LLM. A great analogy is going from a hammer to a nail gun. Did framers lose their jobs in the process?


No but it certainly changed the skill level needed for the work. In same amount of time, you can also do the same job with 2 people as opposed 5.
Posted by AmishSamurai
Member since Feb 2020
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Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:43 am to
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That transition took all of about three years. Wonder where we'll be in another three years?


Elon musk predicted we would all have self driving cars by 2014 ...

Prognostication is easy ... execution is hard.

I'll go out on a limb and say that most software engineers will still be at the "AI table" in 20 years ...
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:45 am to
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That transition took all of about three years. Wonder where we'll be in another three years?


Let’s say you are correct:

If so:
-Lawyer’s are screwed big time.
-General practitioners and mid-level providers are screwed big time from the diagnostic perspective.
-testers are out of a job
-HR is out
-accountants are definitely screwed
-financial advisors are completely obsolete
-insurance underwriters
-on and on

Basically ANY decision making job or job built on arguments, writing, or analysis is gone.

Then once the robotics catches up: welders are gone in an instant, plant operators will be cut in half, at least, all mid-level providers and general practitioners will be gone, surgeons would be on the chopping block (pun intended), on and on.

It’s not just coders.
This post was edited on 7/18/25 at 9:51 am
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
60152 posts
Posted on 7/18/25 at 9:49 am to
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People will start using manipulating the data used by AI to force AI to generate a biased result that works to their advantage. The next vaccine that comes out? Ensuring that AI support is there will be part of the vaccine rollout process.


First, that is ALREADY being done. “AI” is just an LLM so all one has to do is modify input/output parameters to manipulate the final results.

Second, that’s why I keep saying this isn’t AI. True AI would just flip the bird to parameters and work on its own at some point and none of what you are commenting on is an issue. There would be bigger issues then.
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
17936 posts
Posted on 7/18/25 at 10:16 am to
Exactly
Posted by seedmonster77
Member since Feb 2025
201 posts
Posted on 7/18/25 at 10:39 am to
AI isn't paving roads, building bridges, building houses, fixing cars, plumbing, electrical, etc etc etc. Self driving cars still need a babysitter. Its all fake hype to boost tech stonks. The ultra rich would love to replace humans with robots but i don't see it happening anytime soon or ever. The rich will still need human sex slaves anyways. There will always be work in that field :)
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
5992 posts
Posted on 7/18/25 at 10:55 am to
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How exactly do we reconcile the fact that weve been pushing people into tech and STEM for decades now and AI can now basically complete, id guess, 50% of the production of these tech jobs with little to no human oversight?

As I've said before, I don't think 10% of STEM people can actually code.
I don't think 50% of software people can actually code.
I don't think 80% of software people can code at a high level.
I don't think 95% of STEM people can actually do higher level math.

Here is what has happened for the last 30 years.
People spend time in college, they pass their classes, get a general concept of the skills.
They then get a job, and when they find out they are not great in it, they move to a managerial type role, maybe the work on test, or processes, or gathering metrics, or sales, or the money end, maybe they gather the requirements and decide what the code should do.

But they aren't writing good software all day.
And if they are they eventually get promoted out of it.

So the jobs many of these people do was never needed in the first place.
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What does coder do when AI has made his job obsolete?

Well if he's a l33t coder he's going to complete vastly more than he did before.
If he's a decent coder, he will be a great coder.
If he's crap, he better find another skillset.

Not disagreeing that there wont be change, but AI is crazy expensive, a good developer could save you millions in electricity and time on AI code generation by leading the AI to faster and better solutions, and managing the complexity end of it.
Posted by AmishSamurai
Member since Feb 2020
3808 posts
Posted on 7/18/25 at 10:59 am to
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As I've said before, I don't think 10% of STEM people can actually code.
I don't think 50% of software people can actually code.
I don't think 80% of software people can code at a high level.
I don't think 95% of STEM people can actually do higher level math.

Here is what has happened for the last 30 years.
People spend time in college, they pass their classes, get a general concept of the skills.
They then get a job, and when they find out they are not great in it, they move to a managerial type role, maybe the work on test, or processes, or gathering metrics, or sales, or the money end, maybe they gather the requirements and decide what the code should do.

But they aren't writing good software all day.
And if they are they eventually get promoted out of it.




Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
44919 posts
Posted on 7/18/25 at 12:55 pm to
You are moving the fricking goal post. Your OP makes it out that this technology will replace humans. I am telling you it won't, and you clearly don't understand exactly what this is. LLMs are a great tool. They are at best a more efficient Word. They will not replace entire industries. Will some low in white collar roles need to pivot? Sure, but that is common in our space. We are always fighting off new programs, etc. You should stay in your lane and let smart people do smart people things.
Posted by GetMeOutOfHere
Member since Aug 2018
1033 posts
Posted on 7/18/25 at 2:51 pm to
AI thread saying all the white collar workers are doomed - that's a first on this board.

You going to sign up for AI brain surgery for your mom or fly in a fully AI piloted plane?

Does it help? Of course it does. But look at when Microsoft tried to use copilot to do bug fixes on its own; utter crap and the devs had to ask over and over to change it until they just gave up.

Not seeing the exponential growth that had been mentioned in this thread. Hallucinations have not gotten better in recent months. If anything, I'm looking forward to opportunities to clean up the enshittification that over use of it is creating.

Are any of the AI companies actually making money yet?
Posted by BigTigerJoe
Member since Aug 2022
11321 posts
Posted on 7/18/25 at 3:25 pm to
When Covid vaccines start to unwrap their nice little packages and the culling reaches a saturation point, AI will run most everything.
Posted by FLTech
Member since Sep 2017
24898 posts
Posted on 7/18/25 at 3:57 pm to
Bingo. Also, AI requires people to know how to use it. Basically AI is nothing but a very smart assistant.
Posted by DeathByTossDive225
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2019
6883 posts
Posted on 7/18/25 at 5:17 pm to
I went into tech myself & yea it’s pretty scary tbh.

It has amped up my productivity a ton, but it objectively devalues the shite out of just being an expert or specialist with particular languages/tools. Devalues technicians.

The value remains for high-level stuff like data architecture, designing systems, project management etc. Those jobs are a lot less abundant & require a lot more education or experience than just “we need some specialists who are really proficient with XYZ and can implement this plan”.

TLDR the only people who are really safe are the ones making the plan or meaningful decisions. A lot of hard skills being rapidly devalued.

People don’t want to admit it, but if you have any exposure to this stuff at all it’s common sense and a matter of time.
This post was edited on 7/18/25 at 5:42 pm
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170656 posts
Posted on 7/18/25 at 5:21 pm to
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My Company is on the cutting edge of this stuff and the tools are just somewhat OK...maybe 20 years from now it might be a different conversation but now AI is pretty meh....

With the scale of investments and compute power that will be available in 5 years things could move a lot faster. But if you're in the industry I'll assume you know more than me. I've only worked on the data center construction side and the scale of some of these facilities is pretty eye opening.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
10038 posts
Posted on 7/19/25 at 1:41 pm to
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You are moving the fricking goal post. Your OP makes it out that this technology will replace humans. I am telling you it won't,


Cool, the point of my post was that it will lead to less jobs. If you want to sit here and believe that AI wont lead to less jobs at least in short term....fine but youll be wildly wrong
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