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Posted on 10/8/21 at 11:45 pm to mouton
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Answer the question why do you claim Arbery or someone that matched his description stole from the site?
I never claimed that, only suspected that things were stolen because of the measures the property owner took.
Why do you repeatedly lie about the things I say?
Posted on 10/8/21 at 11:46 pm to Azkiger
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Because the source you used to show that the lawyer said the property owner didn't file any police reports about stolen items from that property also mentioned that Travis witnessed Arbery himself on that property the day he was shot.
I had made the claim that the neighbor who dialed 911 informed one of the McMichaels that the guy running down the street had been on the property and that gave the McMichaels immediate knowledge.
Your own source negates the need for immediate knowledge. Travis saw him and recognized him from their encounter with each other on the 11th.
If you were aware of what that source said, why didn't you at least admit that one of the McMichaels saw Arbery on that property that day instead of arguing with me about the neighbor being the one to tell them AND arguing with me about immediate knowledge?
mcmichaels statement to police at the time of the murder indicate he had no immediate knowledge. 'I saw someone running so I wanted to go confront him because there had been recent break ins'
its gonna be tough when the defendant is already on record admitting to having no immediate knowledge. you cant go around commiting aggravated assault for something that happened well in the past. of course its right on track for you to white knight for people who are egregiously in the wrong.
Posted on 10/8/21 at 11:49 pm to Azkiger
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I never claimed that,
Lol
You can’t keep up with your lies.
Posted on 10/8/21 at 11:50 pm to Drizzt
quote:I don’t get this. He was in flight or fight mode; he tried flight but they trapped him in. I don’t know what else he was supposed to do since it was reasonable to think they could shoot him if he tried to get away. Regardless, I don’t think it’s fair to call someone stupid in such a unusual and high stress situation where there were no good options. It’s easy to say we would do something different, but we don’t know because we weren’t in that situation.
So let’s just say that Arbery put himself in “jeopardy” when he made the dumb decision to attack the man with the gun. fricked around, found out.
Posted on 10/8/21 at 11:54 pm to AMS
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mcmichaels statement to police at the time of the murder indicate he had no immediate knowledge. 'I saw someone running so I wanted to go confront him because there had been recent break ins'
I'd have to see what was said. I'm going off of a source Mouton referenced saying that Travis had made the connection between the guy he confronted poking around the construction site on the 11th and the guy he saw on the 23rd.
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of course its right on track for you to white knight for people who are egregiously in the wrong.
Oh I have a history of this do I? Lets hear it.Posted on 10/8/21 at 11:57 pm to buckeye_vol
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I don’t get this. He was in flight or fight mode; he tried flight but they trapped him in. I don’t know what else he was supposed to do since it was reasonable to think they could shoot him if he tried to get away. Regardless, I don’t think it’s fair to call someone stupid in such a unusual and high stress situation where there were no good options. It’s easy to say we would do something different, but we don’t know because we weren’t in that situation.
yea its super strange how its a shouldnt have tried to grab a gun instead of those dudes shouldnt have been driving him down brandishing firearms from the bed of a truck. but the guy running away and trying to defend himself from those dumbasses is to blame instead of the two idiots injecting themselves committing multiple felonies along the way.
Posted on 10/8/21 at 11:58 pm to Azkiger
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Answer the question why do you claim Arbery or someone that matched his description stole from the site?
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I never claimed that
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A guy running by their house, who matches the description of someone who had been stealing from their neighborhood already,
Posted on 10/8/21 at 11:58 pm to buckeye_vol
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I don’t know what else he was supposed to do since it was reasonable to think they could shoot him if he tried to get away.
Not try and get away?
Arbery was a thief, on probation for stealing, and had a long history of stealing. He was casing the house under construction, got caught, ran, and was chased after. Barring any significant mental defects he had to have known why he was being chased after.
Assuming the worst case for the McMichaels, that they had zero authority to try and stop him, and they committed murder by blocking the road, exiting their vehicles, and pointing a gun at Arbery... Why bring it that far? Is your life worth proving that in court years later?
If the McMichaels set out to shoot him he'd have been shot virtually immediately. They were trying to get him to stop. That much is clear.
Posted on 10/9/21 at 12:01 am to mouton
Yes, that's explaining the McMichaels POV.
Good job Sherlock.
Good job Sherlock.
Posted on 10/9/21 at 12:03 am to AMS
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yea its super strange how its a shouldnt have tried to grab a gun instead of those dudes shouldnt have been driving him down brandishing firearms from the bed of a truck.
Not really.
It's easier for people to relate to two people tired of shite being stolen from their neighborhood, and a thief whos been caught there repeatedly. That's not strange, that's a common gut reaction people have.
Posted on 10/9/21 at 12:04 am to Azkiger
You are truly pathetic. I quoted what you said you didn’t say. What a fricking clown. I’m out. You can’t top this.
Posted on 10/9/21 at 12:07 am to Azkiger
It’s amazing that you are denying you claimed he matched the description of someone who had previously stole from the property. Unreal
Posted on 10/9/21 at 12:08 am to Azkiger
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mcmichaels statement to police at the time of the murder indicate he had no immediate knowledge. 'I saw someone running so I wanted to go confront him because there had been recent break ins'
I'd have to see what was said. I'm going off of a source Mouton referenced saying that Travis had made the connection between the guy he confronted poking around the construction site on the 11th and the guy he saw on the 23rd.
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The McMichaels have told police they followed Arbery on Feb. 23 because they suspected him of several break-ins that happened in the neighborhood and wanted to confront him about it.
they went to confront him over breakins that happened in the past. They had no knowledge he was tied to any active crime otherwise they certainly would have stated that especially as one is ex-leo.
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In a separate statement released on Tuesday, Graddy wrote, "Nothing was ever stolen from the English property. Even if theft or damage had occurred, however, the Englishes would never have wanted a vigilante response. The Englishes did not know the McMichaels. The Englishes never enlisted the McMichaels to do what they did and do not want to be part of any effort to justify the McMichaels' actions."
no one enlisted the mcmichaels for help. they had no knowledge of a current crime. There was also nothing stolen or anything like that so mcmichaels were just very far out of line and nowhere close to behaving justifiable. their actions is much more disgusting than whatever petty theft in the past they suspected AA of.
heres a link, if you dont like the article itself for whatever reason those are just quotes from statements given, search around for other sources if something is objectionable
link
Posted on 10/9/21 at 12:09 am to Azkiger
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It's easier for people to relate to two people tired of shite being stolen from their neighborhood, and a thief whos been caught there repeatedly. That's not strange, that's a common gut reaction people have.
not even the guy who was allegedly being burglarized agrees with you.
Posted on 10/9/21 at 12:11 am to Azkiger
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If the McMichaels set out to shoot him he'd have been shot virtually immediately. They were trying to get him to stop. That much is clear.
they set out committing aggravated assault and illegal detainment which led to murder. but hey you think that is more reasonable than letting police handle petty theft.
Posted on 10/9/21 at 12:12 am to AMS
He was 99% sure that the McMichaels were in contact with the homeowner though even though he had only briefly met the son
Posted on 10/9/21 at 12:13 am to Azkiger
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They saw him run past their place, they never saw him commit a fricking felony. They just need reasonable grounds of suspicion. Him matching a description/video of a guy who had already stolen shite from that property meets that requirement.
Posted on 10/9/21 at 12:15 am to mouton
That’s totally not saying he matched the description of someone who stole from the house!!!!
Posted on 10/9/21 at 12:17 am to mouton
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He was 99% sure that the McMichaels were in contact with the homeowner though even though he had only briefly met the son
yea Azkiger is playing with dull crayons, and it is very apparent here. even the mcmichaels claimed they were there for other purposes than citizens arrest for an ongoing crime they had knowledge of. they wanted to deal with theft that happened weeks earlier and they chose to go about it very illegally which led to murder.
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