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re: Ahmaud Arbery had a history of claiming to be a jogger to cover for criminal activities.

Posted on 4/4/21 at 7:04 am to
Posted by Jeauxs Geaux
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2021
121 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 7:04 am to
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Detaining someone with a gun is not initiating a physical confrontation, sorry. If I catch someone on my property,


At which point was he on the McRednecks property?

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If they choose to fight me rather than wait for the cops, they are going to get shot.


And if you chased them down on a public street, initiated contact and they wind up dead you are going to pound you in the arse prison for life, just like the McRednecks.

Arbery may have been a pos but so are the McRednecks and they will be convicted of felony murder, book it.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 7:23 am to
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And even if it was, you do not have the right to stalk and kill someone for trespassing after they leave.
I think the guys made terrible decisions, but come on. You make it sound like they were on a safari.
In a sense.

They thought a lion was killing their goats, so they loaded up, chased down and killed the very first lion they saw.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154425 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 7:24 am to
Are goat herders always right that lions are a threat to the flocks?
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 7:26 am to
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I would just never occur to me to identify with another person just because they're white.
That makes sense, for a variety of reasons. But would you identify with someone because they were (as an example) from Louisiana, or of Cajun descent?
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 7:28 am to
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narddogg81
That is an ... imaginative ... interpretation of the video, especially given that the video is not ON them for the critical couple of seconds that you describe so vividly.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 7:30 am to
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Would it really shock you if they referred to people like him as animals?
I've never met them. Have you? I have no idea what they would or wouldn't say.
Well, the third defendant (Bryan) did tell police that Cletus Junior looked at Arbery’s corpse and called him a “frickin’ n!gger” immediately after the shooting.
Posted by TigerVespamon
Member since Dec 2010
7386 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 7:31 am to
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However, that does not excuse the actions of those that killed him. They deserve jail.
Perhaps, but didn’t he try to wrestle a weapon away from the “citizen cop” which resulted in his own demise?
Posted by OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
8802 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 7:33 am to
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They thought a lion was killing their goats, so they loaded up, chased down and killed the very first lion they saw.
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More accurately: they thought a lion was killing someone else’s goats, so they loaded up, chased down and killed the very first lion they saw.

The most important tool in the gun owners toolbox is a brain. These fools chose not to use theirs, and are gonna be eating institutional food and punching out license plates because they didn’t.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 7:35 am to
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With that said, I’m guessing guilty on lesser included degrees of homicide than murder and/or guilty on other offenses (agg assault, false imprisonment etc).
They are not even charged with intentional homicide, as I recall. Instead, they are charged with “felony murder,” because Arbery died while they were committing several felonies ... including aggravated assault and attempted wrongful imprisonment.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
35609 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 7:36 am to
I will assure you that the McMichaels were not aware of this at the time of the incident. They were not in their rights to attempt doing what they did regardless of if Arbery was trespassing. It was not their property and the confrontation was not in proximate location to the property. They had no sanction to enact a " citizen's arrest" even under the Georgia statute. Once Arbery left the property and proceeded down the street on a public way, it was the sole jurisdiction of official law enforcement. All these facts that are out were facts not available at the time of the incident nor were they available to McMichaels immediately prior to the incident.
This post was edited on 4/4/21 at 7:37 am
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 7:37 am to
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He was just to dumb to live
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 7:38 am to
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No one can stick up for those two idiots.
Clearly you are mistaken.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
35609 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 7:42 am to
Arbery was not a lion and the McMichaels were not goat herders.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 7:44 am to
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More accurately: they thought a lion was killing someone else’s goats, so they loaded up, chased down and killed the very first lion they saw.
Not to quibble, but Cletus Senior’s handgun had been stolen from the seat of his truck a couple of months earlier. I suspect that he was more pissed off about his own handgun, than about trespassing on someone else’s property (someone who did not even live in the state).
This post was edited on 4/4/21 at 7:45 am
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24073 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 7:50 am to
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even assuming that this is true, Cletus and Jethro had no knowledge of it.





I wouldn't be sure. They were tight with the police
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24073 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 7:51 am to
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They were not in their rights to attempt doing what they did regardless of if Arbery was trespassing.


If they reasonably felt he intended to steal they were.

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They had no sanction to enact a " citizen's arrest" even under the Georgia statute. Once Arbery left the property and proceeded down the street on a public way, it was the sole jurisdiction of official law enforcement. All these facts that are out were facts not available at the time of the incident nor were they available to McMichaels immediately prior to the incident.


That ain't the law
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 7:54 am to
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No you fricking havent. Its not the human thing to do. People dont fricking randomly walk into a space that requires hard hats and safety boots. If you're there after hours you are 100 fricking percent up to no good. What a dumb fricking thing to say. Human nature just to walk into a very dangerous area lolol fricking dumb arse.


Lol. Residential construction? Requiring hard hats and safety boots? A very dangerous area? You obviously don’t know much about construction sites. And yes it is VERY common for people to walk through houses under construction.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 7:58 am to
and I still do not give a shite because the ONLY reason this is news at all is because it was white on black

When do we lament all the white people killed by black people in the interim?
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
35609 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 8:04 am to
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Liberals are immune to facts


Fact: Arbery was confronted on a public thouroughfare by men in a pick up truck that he did not know.

Fact: Arbery was then confronted in a hostile manner by at least one man in the pick up truck.

Fact: At least one person in the pick up truck brandished a loded firearm in an affirmative aggressive manner.

Fact: The accussed were not active members of law enforcement.

Fact: Arbery was on a public street.

Fact: At the time of the encounter Arbery was not seen as committing a crime.

Fact: The accused intent was to hold Arbery against his will.

Fact: Under Georgia law, Arbery was entitled to use an affirmative defense.

You want facts, then present facts that were in evidence at the time of the incident. Information of Arbery's experience with law enforcement pror to that has come out post facto have no bearing and were not available to McMichael's at the time of the confrontation.

Try harder.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464968 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 8:10 am to
no no no

you have to remember they were just defending themselves

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after committing multiple violent felonies (agg assault, false imprisonment, etc) against Arbery
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